US Civil rights - a LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE achievement?, page 1
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:00 PM by The Bald Champion
I think it was the white conservatives that were so opposed to the change represented by the civil rights movement.

It makes sense - can anyone else extrapolate the same logic from the below definition?



CONSERVATIVE
adj.
1.Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.


www.answers.com...

Does this next definition seem to explain the anti civil rights stance?


lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.


www.thefreedictionary.com...

Anyhow this thread is a bit laughable, but I have come to understand that
people do not seem to understand what ideology they profess to follow.


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:18 PM by Yoda411
The Bill of Rights was introduced by James Madison Jr..

Which party was he you ask?

Democrat-Republican

Who was the president at the time?

Thomas Jefferson - Democrat-Republican


The Democratic–Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison about 1792. Supporters usually identified themselves as Republicans,[1] but sometimes as Democrats.[2] The term "Democratic Republican" was also used by contemporaries, but mostly by the party's opponents.[3] It was the dominant political party in the United States from 1800 to 1824, when it split into competing factions, one of which became the modern Democratic Party.


So the question itself is ironic considering how twisted and manipulated the party lines have become since their era.


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:24 PM by The Bald Champion
reply to post by Yoda411


Could you take it further...

Were liberal folks for or against civil rights, generally speaking?

I want to determine if it is a widely held belief that LIBERALS - specifically -
opposed civil rights.


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:30 PM by The Bald Champion
reply to post by mrwupy


OK... So do you believe that liberals were against the civil rights movement?

Or better put which ideology was fighting against the civil rights movement?


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:41 PM by The Bald Champion
Something to read...

archive.newsmax.com...


Democrats do themselves no good by taking credit for the civil rights movement or for legislation that came out of it. If they do that, they also must take the blame for the failures of the policies of dependence which they created and which choked the life out of the African-American culture and family life.

If African-Americans ever do vote for Republicans or conservatives, I hope they do so because they finally realize that though conservatives don't have all the answers, they do have enough faith in people to allow them the freedom to find the answers for themselves.


archive.newsmax.com...

A conservative take on things thanks to the fellow.



reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:48 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by The Bald Champion


That right there is exactly why I switched from 30 years of being a Democrat to Republican and then to the Libertarians. The Republicans have started to act and legislate like those liberals noted in that piece.

Zindo


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:57 PM by mrwupy
Originally posted by The Bald Champion
reply to post by mrwupy


OK... So do you believe that liberals were against the civil rights movement?

Or better put which ideology was fighting against the civil rights movement?



Good people from both sides were fighting for the civil rights movement.

Good people from both sides were fighting against it.

It was a war of perspective and thankfully the right side won. The old ways and thoughts fell to the side. (somewhat)

This is a silly argument. There were liberals who fought for civil rights and liberals who faught against them. The same goes for conservatives. You want to place everyone in either one basket or the other.

Life doesn't work like that.


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 09:19 PM by Yoda411
reply to post by The Bald Champion


Liberals are historically and a majority in that they promote liberty, I.E. your personal freedoms which were endowed to you when born in America.


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 10:40 PM by The Bald Champion
Originally posted by mrwupy
Originally posted by Yoda411

Liberals are historically and a majority in that they promote liberty, I.E. your personal freedoms which were endowed to you when born in America.




That is by far the most ridiculous statement I have read in a very, very long time.

If you or I or anyone says something that is politically incorrect a Liberal will be on you like stink on a jobjohnny.

Liberals will not tolerate ANYTHING that is politically incorrect. YOU must absolutely toe the liberal line or they will destroy you. They are the thought police that look for any public figure to say something that just might offend someone, somewhere, and then they go after them.

Free thought is an abomination to all that are liberal. You MUST be politically correct or you are to be damned and destroyed.

Conservatives are the ones who say you have the right to free speech.

Liberals will choke you to death for saying something their committee hasn't approved.



Being very liberal I hate to say this, but I think conservatives make the changes needed when they need to be made while liberals scream for the feel good changes of the moment.


Something tells me you are not liberal like you say...


lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.


www.thefreedictionary.com...

Why is the antithesis of your analysis serve as the definition of liberal in any dictionary???

"Liberals will not tolerate ANYTHING that is politically incorrect."

HEY I would tolerate gay marriage, detainee rights, doctor assisted suicide, shoe worship and giant tit statue besides the freeway...
certainly not PC issues.

I guess I am a conservative

I think you can do better...
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