Originally posted by XXXN3OThis only occured to me when this person recently told me that if there was anything going to happen in this world the freemasons would be the ones to stop it.

To put it simply though I was just looking for something that would tell me the right thing to do as im not sure.

If something is about to happen ( which it is) then the masons are the wrong one's that would stop it. As for you taking action, don't do anything unless you are sure about your actions.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
My own belief is that there is something going on in this world that makes it unfair due to the power certain people have over others which is starting to reveal itself just now economically especially. Most people on here call it the new world order etc. Most believers in this are beginning to take rather extremist stances etc etc.

This is a pretty common thread among conspiracy theorists - in fact its really one of the foundations of conspiracy theory - the idea that the world is somehow "unfair" and that it exists as being unfair not because of the amalgamation of billions of independent actors pursuing their own self-interests, but because of some cohesive group that is actively working to make it so. Its the conspiracy side of class warfare ideology.

You are not going to find that every mason believes in this. Some will, some will not. Its not a institutionalized part of freemasonry because it is a topic that comes quickly political.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
My answer would solve that in a peaceful way that would benefit every person and bring equality to everyone but of course it would sweep the carpet from beneath the insanely wealthy/powerful so it is a threat on one level to someone, which is why I am keeping this quiet on here.

This is not a solution nor problem freemasonry as a institution is interested in. Again, it would be a individual mason thing. I as a person (and not as a mason) believe people have a right to be insanely wealthy and powerful and it is fundamentally wrong to steal power or wealth from people because you think it is unfair. Other masons will feel differently. Its not a mason thing, its a individual person thing.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
I spoke to a former grand master in the freemasons who is part of my family and he told me that David Icke, Alex Jones etc are all BS and if this was in place freemasons would not allow it. This was just a conversation nothing more as I never went any deeper than asking what is the purpose of masons and asking about conspiracy theories such as the NWO. I didnt mention Icke or Alex Jones and he dodged my question on the NWO it seems but did reference me to some things in the bible and spoke to me about symbols etc.

The theories held by Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. concerning freemasonry are wrong - that much is correct. Honestly I think all of them are involved in it for the wealth and influence that comes with being a "leader" of the conspiracy theory crowd, but I don't follow them enough to care except to know the things I have heard them say about freemasonry are wrong.

As for the NWO, thats again a individual person thing. I don't think it exists or has ever existed - it was just a symbolic political phrase the conspiracy group picked up and ran with. Other people who are masons may believe in it. Either way, its not something freemasonry as a institution concerns itself with.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
The one and only reason that I have thought of masons with regards to this is because if they agree that everyone is equal, should not harm others and build up themselves through life my solution would offer a society that would be based on this rather than our current one of profit motive. The Masons are the only people of whom there are enough of to make the first step of it work as far as I am aware

There is a difference in believing everyone is fundamentally equal and believing that everyone has a equal right to everything regardless of merit or anything else. One is equality of opportunity, the other is equality of results. This again gets into individual person territory because it quickly becomes political, but I think you will find vast amounts of masons believe in equality of opportunity and not equality of results.

So overall, you have a political problem and a political solution. Freemasonry does not take a stance on these things.

TripleX,

I'm not a Mason, but from a semi-objective viewpoint, I'd advise you to quit beating around the bush and just tell 'em where to send the money...

Hey, I was just trying to help.

After all, your "solution" can't possibly be of any less value than the "message(s) of salvation" peddled by any other deluded or devious soul!

[edit on 15-12-2008 by Icarus_Fallen]

In American Freemasonry there is no centralized goal or purpose. In fact Freemasonry in America is one of the most de-centralized groups you could find.

We are forbidden from discussing political or religious dogma so we couldn't even get to the point where we could start organizing any kind of group effort.

The only group goals we work toward are charity events, parades, community service, etc.

I think people assume the structure is like a pyramid with some grand overseer at the top, but really it's like an inverted pyramid with the state grand lodge at the bottom and the individual lodges at the top.

Like I have said before we have trouble organizing a pancake breakfast, much less a world takeover. In fact, in my lodge anyway, only about 10% of the membership even attend meetings. Out of 200 members we are lucky to get 15 or 20 at a meeting.

I wish it were the other way around. I would be thrilled to see throngs of eager men gathered in lodge rooms that are overflowing, but in today's world people really are having a hard time even getting by and much less taking time to help others.

I hope this helps!

I mean, if you're bound to be crazy anyway, you might as well make a few bucks off it, right?

Originally posted by XXXN3O
My own belief is that there is something going on in this world that makes it unfair due to the power certain people have over others which is starting to reveal itself just now economically especially. Most people on here call it the new world order etc.

Sadly, this is nothing new. As long as there's been a concept of ownership there's been a division between the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. What is going on today is the same as has gone on for centuries, if not millennia. You may only now be beginning to recognize it, but to be honest, it's been the status quo for as long as there's been recorded history.

The one and only reason that I have thought of masons with regards to this is because if they agree that everyone is equal, should not harm others and build up themselves through life my solution would offer a society that would be based on this rather than our current one of profit motive. The Masons are the only people of whom there are enough of to make the first step of it work as far as I am aware.

The issue here is that Masons are not the type to force their enlightenment upon anyone. It is in our teachings that one must seek the light "of their own free will and accord". That's why Masonry is considered secretive... because we're not broadcasting solutions from the rooftops, just offering guidance to individuals who come seeking the same.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
Would it be fair to say that if a mason presented an idea that a large amount of masons if not all actually agreed upon that they would take action not as a mason but as a person then?
Or is there a rule that would prevent this?

No rule against it, just no system in place for such an idea to be communicated. As my brethren here have indicated, there's no unifying underlying structure to Freemasonry today (nor has there ever been, to be honest). The only way for a Mason to be heard beyond his own lodge, or his Grand Lodge, would be to publicly state in the media "I'm a Mason and I think _THIS_." and enough Masons scattered to the four winds would have to become aware of that media statement, agree with his position, and decide to support his cause, either as individuals or by bringing it up within their own local lodges and try to make something happen.