I don't see this as indicative of an agenda to exert control over the populace or keep us "drugged". It is, however, certainly an effort to increase the profits of pharmaceutical companies (and really--isn't that always their primary goal?). Imagine the gains they will see if performance enhancing medications like Ritalin are made more widely available. A significant number of people, from students to overburdened housewives to businessmen--anyone who feels the pressure for greater efficiency--are jumping on this bandwagon. "Stay awake" pills like Provigil, originally designed for sleep disorders, are also being utilized by healthy individuals (most notably in the military).

If drugs that improve efficiency can pass safety testing, I don't have an issue with availability being increased.

People are going to do it anyway. I hope they do make it legal and available for all people. Here's why.

If they make Adderall and Ritalin legal and available, people will use it INSTEAD OF stimulant drugs such as Cocaine, Crystal Meth, Speed, and Crank.

While Adderall is basically a pre-cursor to Crystal Meth in itself, it is a safer, healthier alternative by far. It is made with a clean process, not an illegal, dirty, home-made process, or as I like to call it "Kitchen Chemistry". Adderall is really quite similar in its psychoactive affect on humans to Crystal Methamphetamine, otherwise known as ice, crystal, tina, glass, etc. However, it does not damage the brain and body as badly nor as quickly as the Crystal Methamphetamine does.

This is the main reason it should be legalized in my opinion. I mean.. talk about KILLING the Crystal Meth market, only die-hard addicts would continue to use, and even less people who mke the stuff would still be making it. Thus, the price of it would go up really high, and it would be really hard to find. This will just promote even MORE to abandon it for the LEGAL alternative, Adderall, if it were made legal.

You could really take a bite out of that criminal market this way, it would be so simple. This can also be done on a few different other drugs and drug categories. It is a progressive, new approach, but it's obvious that the "war on drugs" has not succeeded and will never totally succeed. Therefore we need something new and better. I feel this approach is the answer.

So, legal Adderall pills available @ the Pharmacy over the counter. This kills the Crystal Meth market.

Then, legalize Marijuana, and sell it in pre-rolled cigarette packs @ Gas Stations. This kills the Weed market, no reason to have a clandestine growth operation if it's legal. Possessing some ridiculously large amount should still be illegal though, taking it over country borders should still be illegal, and possessing any kind of Marijuana that does not have the official markings on the packaging (to show it has been taxed and counted) should still be illegal.

Then you simply make a low dose pain medication which normally is prescription only OVER THE COUNTER. This will help kill the whole market behind subverting and selling of prescription pills. For instance, they should make packages of .. 12 vicodin regular strength, over the counter. You'd have to ASK the Pharmacist for it, then they'd get it from their side of the counter you see. Then they'd write your name down or if its already written, put a mark beside it. You can only buy X amount of boxes in a month. This is what they already do in Canada with Codiene/Tylonal combination pills. This would cut down TREMENDOUSLY on all kinds of crime and problems. I could write a whole thread about just this one.

Lastly, they should have a weak, low dose, over the counter anxiety medication, attainable in the same fashion as the pain medicine in the paragraph above this one. You know .. something like five milligrams of valium in a single pill, with 12 in a pack, etc. Since your name is taken each time and there are maximum limits on how many packs of each you can get in a week or a month, the overall abuse potential would be low.

This would end the war on drugs. This would be great .. we'd be like a gigantic Holland, except even BETTER!

[edit on 12/9/2008 by runetang]

Id rather use natural plants that have a long history of use and work just aswell,this is big pharma trying to maximise profits as usual.

unfortunately nearly most of the sheeple deeply believe pharma corps are genuine businesses producing medicines for their wellness.

so this kind of speech doesn't shock any of them. so they'll take it, and they'll even want more after hearing 100 times on tv how good it is to be a sheep.

This is one of those subject I can never agree with myself about. I'm of two minds going in opposite directions.

I agree that big pharmacy is a money making machine that has little regard for human life. Their goal is the almighty profit.

As far as control of the populous i don't believe that is the foremost concern except where it creates the profits. Nothing sinister there. We'll, don't all businesses want profit?

If I can take a drug in the morning and finish a book I've been attempting to write for years I'm all for popping that little pill.

I already take memory enhancing drugs, and drugs to enhance me physically so that I might digest my food better and also to help my other bodily functions. My drug bill is at least $1,200.00 each month.

I'm just waiting for a drug that will erase a few years from my skin and and a drug that really will stop my daily pain without my being in a drugged state all the time.

That being said..........keep churning out those good drugs big pharmacy.

Now, this is where it gets dicey with me. My 9 month beautiful great granddaughter is being forced to get flu vaccine and her other shots this week. That bit of information slipped out to my ear shot last night.

Fear gripped my entire being. OMG not my great granddaughter. I was livid. I finally settled down after popping one of pharmacy's best selling pills to calm me down. It is a prescribed medication. One of my life enhancer drugs.

So, here I go in circles chasing my tail. One one hand I'm saying I love you big pharmacy and on the other hand I'm damming you. How dare you advise we poke pills down our children's throats.

Just please keep doing research and find a new pill to make my life better.

Chasing my own tail is no fun. I don't think I will ever be able to come to a single conclusion concerning drugs and our uses or need of them.

Ritalin, legal LSD if I'm not mistaken. Back in the day I knew this guy who would do speed to stay awake for his job, looks like that will soon be legal huh.

It was bad enough when they were pushing it on the kids to keep them quiet, instead of just taking a long hard look at their diet and sugar and E-colour intake. Now they are being used to create a society where those who can afford stimulants, will pull even further ahead of their poorer counterparts.

This kind of thing isn't allowed in sporting events, I think it's a shame that people are allowed chemical augments to boost their productivity in the workplace. And this is just the start of the slippery slope, it starts with drugs, then genetics, then cybernetics.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Lazyninja]

I don't care about what other people decides to put into their own body.

I used to take Adderall for ADHD and it did help me out a LOT. With that said I have hyperactivity and attention deficit disorder. I experience extreme amounts of attention deficiency. ADHD can be beneficial if you have many tasks to be completed at once, but many times there is one large goal and someone with this issue cannot focus all of his/her attention on the one goal.

I don't believe that these drugs should be distributed amongst the general public. Adderall is actually chemically addictive if abused, and should only be taken by those who suffer from attention deficiency. If you do not and you take Adderall you are likely to become a complete walking Zombie.

I stopped taking Adderall and although complete lack of productivity, I simply cannot afford this medicine. It costs over $240 a month if you do not have insurance, and I was laid off of a really nice job so I do not have insurance myself anymore. If I did not stop taking Adderall previously to being laid off, I would be SOL and suffering from chemical withdrawal on top of my loss of job.

Withdrawal symptoms are basically dizziness, nausea, morning heart burn, and vertigo throughout the day.

The question is, is it worth it? If I was in college I would NEED it and honestly I never finished college because of my ADHD and because I stopping taking this medicine. However, with college in my past I have an inner-conflict as to whether or not this medicine is the correct thing for me to do.

I learned a long time ago after quitting my younger habbits that simply having a clear and clean mind works wonders with memory and productivity.

Were not some machine that needs an improved oil for pete's sake. You can only push the limits of what the body can take so far, and filling your brain with drugs, clean or otherwise, eventually catches up to you in the long run.

What are the long term effects of this stuff? Like if a person takes this mess for 30 or 40 years and when they reach 60 or older?

Sometimes its better to look at the long term effects and avoid them than to reap the short term benefits that may be regretted later on.




Cheers!!!!

I hope they make it OTC!!! I wouldn't mind taking a ride to CVS and getting a nice buzz while im miserable sitting at my desk!

A lot of you people who post here are going to know this and a lot of you are not but adderallis a lot more dangerous than ritalin. See on adderal you can keep on taking more and more and you will feel the difference. On ritalin you are going to cap out.

Want to know the truth? Years ago I used to give adderal to my friends. I myself got it for a doctor and it was not hard at all. I didn't have anything wrong with me but I knew what to tell a doctor.

These drugs can help you to study all night long without having to eat or do anything else that would get in the way. In all honesty they are going to help you make the grade. Are they good for you? I wouldn't say so but they will help you lose weight.

There are several tiny problems with this suggestion:
a) Drugs do have side effects and sometimes kill.
b) It will actually ensure use of mind-enhancing drugs by forces of the market. I am not talking about methylphenidate (Ritalin and co') or Adderall - do not know what it is ,we do not have it here yet. I am talking about industry of making mind-enhancers and employers ensuring that their work force uses them.
All drugs are poisons, only in small doses. So agreeing to poison ourself in order to run faster in the same wheel of economy is very silly. Plus, there are natural plants that are just for that, they are probably much weaker but used for ages and have much better safety profile. Like - no black boxes for Ginkgo Biloba or Korean Ginseng. I personally use combination on days that i know will be tough and it adds me few hours of normal non-tired functioning. It does not mean those plants do not have side effects, just that their are not that dangerous as mind-stimulants.
My motto (already wrote it on another post few days ago but why not again?) - If it is needed - then it is needed; if it is optional - then it probably is not needed.