Consciousness of Animals, page 1
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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 10:19 PM by ashamedamerican
reply to post by mrwupy



Star for you my friend I could not have said it better.
I think animals are alot smarter than we give them credit for.
Monkeys learn sign language.
Dolphins can communicate with their trainers through signs and symbols.
As you stated apes use tools.
Elephants can find watering holes that haven't been used, or that have been dried up for generations.
Some animals mourn their dead.

Just because they don't speak to us, does not mean that they are stupid.
Great find OP, starred and flagged!



reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 11:41 PM by asmeone2
Way cool OP, this totally compliments my smart birds thread.

AshamedAmerican:

I don't know that "lower" automatically means less-evolved or a punishment. Traditional cultures sometimes thought of certain animals as being *more* evolved than humankind.

I can think of a few animals I would like to be incarnated as--and to go really on the fring here, there is always the Otherkin and Therian subcultures that swear they are animals in human bodies.


reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 12:16 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by mrwupy

The other night I got home from work before my husband which never happens (he had a board meeting and we carpool).

Our dog walked around nervously looking for J my husband. This dog started acting out like a upset child so I said to him (yes I talk to my dog he's the only one who will listen to me)

"Odie, J will be home soon, he's okay he's running late tonight".

Immediately Odie relaxed and got back on the couch like he normally does at 6:00 PM

My youngest son, also sitting on the couch looked up at me with surprise and said, "I guess he understood you".

This is the same dog that the only "accident" we have had in 13 years was a little bit of throw up on the bathroom floor in front of the toilet (the toilet lid was shut).

Or the time I was showing my family a stadium blanket we got for employee appreciation day and Odie went up to me and gingerly nudged the blanket with his nose asking if he could have it...........yes he got the blanket.

If it's cold outside Odie will go to the drawer we keep his coat in and point to the drawer and when you start to put the coat on he raises his neck to assist you.

This wonderful creature I am so privledged to have shared many years with pouts and gets hurt feelings if you talk rude to him.

He also runs and hides if you say or spell V-E-T and gets jealous if I mention outloud how cute a dog is on Animal Planet.

Dogs are living longer now too, Odie is around 17 years old. Usually Pointers live about 14-15.



For the picture above I asked Odie to "sit up real pretty for me".

Besides animals evolving, maybe mankind is learning he's not the only "thinking" animal on the planet as well.


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reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 12:56 AM by ashamedamerican
Kruel:
I think you're referring to 'koko' the gorilla if I'm not mistaken, but alot of apes have been taught sign language it's not a rare occurance by any means.
I had a pet Cockatiel once who would not accept food from anyone but me, I could not take a vacation while I had this bird because I feared it would starve in my absence. To me this seemed like more than just quirky behavior it seemed like a pretty complex trust issue. Nobody else could touch him either or he would get either very scared or violent depending on who it was attempting to violate his personal space.

ofhumandescent:
Your dog sounds like a pretty smart animal to me. I had a Siberian Husky that used to manipulate humans like playtoys. He would get lonely late at night and wrap his runner around a tree until his neck was against the tree. It looked like he was in danger of strangling himself and most of my family (including me) would barrel out the door to unwrap him from the tree. But sure enough half an hour later you would hear him yelping and crying and you would look out to see that he had done it all over again.

One night I heard him yelping, peeked out the window to see him wrapped around the tree again but I waited and watched and stopped my family members from 'rescuing' him. Shortly after this he unwrapped his own runner from the tree and went back to his doghouse.
This is just one example and I wish I could think of more but I'm tired at the moment it's about 2 a.m. here.

This dog was so smart that he would manipulate humans into doing whatever he wanted them to do, I used to laugh at my family when I saw them falling for it because I came to realize that my dog was actually smarter than some of my family members.

Don't underestimate animals, you're only fooling yourself.


reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 01:16 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by ashamedamerican

It's my humble opinion that dogs should not be tied up outside and left for hours. People use to do that "in the old days" but I guess with everyone evolving more people now realize dogs need to be inside with their "pack".

Maybe your dog was trying to tell you he wanted to be inside with you.

We have a fenced in yard and Odie "knocks" at the door when he wants to come in, no joke.

He also a come up to you and let you know when he wants to go out and it's pretty obvious with his pantomie he needs to "go" (He dances).




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reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 08:46 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Universal Light



I am not sure where the video was filmed but it is likely a video from an Intelligent Traffic Management System wherein busy traffic can be monitered by camera so that response teams can be sent out as needed. The cameras, I believe, have the ability to zoom in and out according to the event that is unfolding.

Anthropomorphism (attributing human qualities/behaviors to animals) might need to be redefined! Reading through the postings, it seems obvious that we are not projecting human-ness onto our pets but rather our pets are responding to us in socially interactive ways that certainly cannot be dismissed as pure instinct.
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