UFO Hunters Season 2

I didn't know its back already. I just finished watching the first episode, it was pretty good. Makes you wonder what the hell is going on here..Here's the list of the episodes. Episodes 1 to 3 have aired already.


UFO Hunters Season 2


201 Invasion Illinois October 29, 2008 The team opens the files of the 2004 Tinley Park, Illinois mass-sighting UFO event where some eyewitnesses claim seeing three separate objects, while others believe it was a single triangular craft over 1500 feet wide.

202 UFO Emergency November 5, 2008 The team reopens famous police cold-cases involving mass UFO sightings such as the 1994 Trumbull County, Ohio and Holland, Michigan sightings and the 2000 Millstadt, Illinois case where 911 dispatchers were flooded with calls and police radio chatter of strange lights moving slowly through the sky.

203 Heartland Explosion November 12, 2008 The team investigates an April 16, 2008 Kokomo, Indiana report of a high decibel boom that echoed across the heartland that was supposedly followed by sightings of a fiery object in the night sky.

204 First Contact November 19, 2008 The team researches the story of the 1897 Aurora, Texas UFO crash where the townsfolk are rumored to have tossed the ship wreckage down a well and buried the body of the non-human pilot in their local cemetery.

205 The Real Roswell December 3, 2008 The team looks into rumors of a possible second crash site of flying disk recovered by the military in New Mexico, on the same night as the famous Roswell UFO Incident.

206 Arizona Lights December 10, 2008 The team joins Out of the Blue filmmaker Jeff Fox on an investigation of an April 21, 2008 mass-sighting report of a triangular craft spotted over the Nevada/Arizona border to as far as Tuscon and looks at connections to the "Phoenix Lights" incident of 1997.

Originally posted by dizzydean205 The Real Roswell December 3, 2008 The team looks into rumors of a possible second crash site of flying disk recovered by the military in New Mexico, on the same night as the famous Roswell UFO Incident.

This one is on right now.

I hate to admit it but I watch this show. It totally sucks and they never accomplish anything. Did anyone see where they removed the "alien transmitter"? It turned out to be a piece of iron in the guys leg. Like you couldnt see that coming from a mile away. One day I am going to wise up and just bang my head into the wall for the hour I waste. At least I'll accomplish giving myself a headache

Did anyone see the recent UFO show that was done with MUFON's director James Carrion? I can't recall if it was on the History Channel or the Discovery Channel but it was fairly good IMO. They went down to Mexico and investigated a few of the famous Mexican daytime UFO videos. I was happily surprised because they did a fairly rigorous job of debunking the videos they were shown and really proved that they are interested in finding "the truth" and not just accepting every claim at face value.

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Yeah sometimes they do a bunch of nonsense just to extend the whole show but you got to admit that the actual cases themselves are pretty interesting.

Overall I think UFO Hunters has improved from last year. However, each episode seems to have aspects of extreme stupidity. I am quite familiar with the Kokomo incident. They did not mention the recovery team that was seen by many. There was actaully a video of the incident which they saw but did not show..They did not mention the radar data from April 16 that shows F16s plus something else(Investigation X did mention that)Then the pointless sonic boom generation.

Last night I thought the object was melted glass..But turned out to be Tupperware..I mean 60+ years have elapsed and Tupperware could have been brought into desert and melted in past 30 years. No charring though..What temp would it take to make a similar object? Things like this they neglect. They also neglected the Corona crash site and others around and possible connections to missle testing at White Sands(see Earthfiles).

If the Roswell/Maury island case coverage is any indication of this shows normal MOD, then In my opinion the show is a joke.

see my "Is UFO Hunters a Joke" thread for why.

if the entrie season is weak but only one case stands out to be truely awesome (see episode 911 emergency) then its a success to me. not every show will blow your hair back, we all know that... but one unbelievable case and im happy.

Originally posted by Turiddu
Did anyone see the recent UFO show that was done with MUFON's director James Carrion? I can't recall if it was on the History Channel or the Discovery Channel but it was fairly good IMO. They went down to Mexico and investigated a few of the famous Mexican daytime UFO videos. I was happily surprised because they did a fairly rigorous job of debunking the videos they were shown and really proved that they are interested in finding "the truth" and not just accepting every claim at face value.

[edit on 3-12-2008 by Turiddu]

If you think to cheat on people by making a hoax to debunk ufo sightings is fair and
serious then you are part of the same hypocrisy sir. If you think to laugh and make
fun of all those hundreds that belived the balloons hoax planned and executed by the
sinister couple Carrion and Uriarte is the right thing then you are as cynical as
Carrion and Uriarte sir.

If you like to setup people like Carrion and Uriarte did in the three fiasco pilots of
the failed Discovery proposal then you are part of their hidden agenda sir. If you
like to knock ufo witnesses doors to salute them with one hand while hiding a knife
on the other hand like Carrion and Uriarte did then you are part of the same
conspiracy sir. If you think to debunk everything and everybody by means of
foulplay just to get some minutes of fame like Carrion and Uriarte did then you must
join immediatley the Skeptics Society where you will find your paradise and live in
denial forever.

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"sinister couple"
"hidden agenda"

Please get a grip and read the facts. The "Mexican" UFOs have been thoroughly debunked and the kid with the camera phone pictures was also revealed to be a fraud. If you think this is "evil" then perhaps you are not thinking in the best interest of this field.

part 1 www.youtube.com...

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part 3 www.youtube.com...

part 4 www.youtube.com...

I would like to to address a few issues with the latest episode of UFO hunters, the one about the Phoenix lights. The science guys analysis and experiments were some of the worst sloppiest work ever done on the subject. His comparison of small hand held parachute flares to large aircraft deployed military flares was a not a good experiment. The two types of flares are not comparable. The flares used by the Aircraft that night were already discussed here at Above Top Secret.

Munitions Specialist Says Phoenix Lights Were Flares, He Was There!

They were LUU-2B/B units, more information found here.

Air-deployed LUU-2 high-intensity illumination flares

They made the mistake of ignoring all of the work and experiments previously done on the topic. The LUU-2 flares can easily be seen from Thirty to Seventy or even more miles away, plenty enough to have been seen from where the pilots said that they were dropped from that night.

There are videos that clearly show that the flares,(or lights if you prefer), descend behind the mountains. Here is one from my YouTube account.

The Phoenix lights are shown to be behind the mountains




This site has a good skeptical analysis of the event.

The Alien Invasion of Phoenix, Arizona

Here's a snippet from that site.

The Barry M. Goldwater Range is a big place " over 4,000 square miles " and the Phoenix metropolitan area is even larger, about 14,000 square miles. The distance between the two is usually cited at 60 to 80 miles, but as we can see, that's going to depend on a lot. We do know a little about where the A-10's were flying inside the Goldwater Range. The guy who was in the lead A-10, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, says they were near Gila Bend when they ejected the leftover flares, and Gila Bend is just about exactly 50 miles from downtown Phoenix. Mesa and Scottsdale are farther away, so let's take a super rough stab at it, be conservative, and say that the average observer of the Phoenix Lights was 70 miles away from the A-10's. The brightness of the LUU-2 seen from 70 miles away is roughly equal to a star with an apparent magnitude of somewhere between -3.2 and -4.3, which is significantly brighter than any stars visible in the sky, but not as bright as the full moon. The magnitude scale was developed by the astronomer Hipparchus, where +1 represents the brightest star in the sky, and +6 represents the faintest. -3.2 is quite a bit brighter than the brightest star. The noonday sun has an apparent magnitude of -26.7. Thanks to the guys on the Bad Astronomy and JREF forums who helped me with these calculations.

The UFO Hunters ignored all of this evidence. Another aspect often discussed is that the effective useful altitude these are deployed at is much lower to the ground than what was seen that night. This was because the flares were being dropped to get rid of unused ordinance, not for ground illumination. They were dropped at whatever altitude the aircraft happened to be flying at when they ended the training mission.

This was sloppy research done by the UFO Hunters.

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I agree with you on the flares analysis. I also believe the 10pm sightings were flares disappearing behind the mountains. The main flaw with the experiment was the people think they saw extraterrestrial craft, and nothing will change their minds.
The 8pm sighting of the boomerang/triangle shaped object does interest me, and I wish they would of done more with that. No photos were taken of that, although it is alleged many thousands of people witnessed that one.
So far, this was the weakest episode of the season.

Originally posted by Turiddu
reply to post by free_spirit

 

"sinister couple"
"hidden agenda"

Please get a grip and read the facts. The "Mexican" UFOs have been thoroughly debunked and the kid with the camera phone pictures was also revealed to be a fraud. If you think this is "evil" then perhaps you are not thinking in the best interest of this field.

You mean ALL the mexican UFO sightings to date? You got to be kidding, not even in
your wildest dreams. You are clearely bluffing because you did'nt present the alleged
“facts” that allegedly debunk ALL the mexican UFO sightings to date Turiddu. First
complete your post by providing valid arguments that is presenting those facts
one by one here and then we talk. But don't try to be smart by changing your
statement, you said ALL the mexican UFO sightings debunked thoroughly. Prove it
and take your time because you have to debunk 17 years of documented UFO reports
videos, photos etc. It will take you a long time, I'm patient.

Regarding the kid's camera phone pictures you mentioned, why don't you ask
James Carrion from MUFON why he did'nt show any analysis of the first three
photos, the good ones where the disc is seen big, the ones his analyst said
they were real, the ones they could'nt debunk. I know why but you better
ask him.

By the way you said the best interest in the field. Do you really know what are you
saying? What is your grade of expertise and your credentials to claim to know what
is the best interest in the field. What is the field to you? How this field works and
who are the good ones and the bad ones, the right ones and the wrong ones and
who has the ultimate knowledge over the other ones.

Regarding the actual topic of this thread I watched the last episode of UFO Hunters
and I did'nt like it. While I concede the Phoenix case remains controversial UFO Hunters
favored the flares theory but I was not convinced by their experiment. Interestingly
last night episode of NY-PSI Investigates on the Investigation Discovery Channel
the NY-PSY presented a revisitation to the Carteret UFO case they researched and
presented on the SCI-FI Channel in January 30, 2008. In this update the team
interviewed witness abductee John Predovan who was subjected to an hypnotic
regression. They also showed him the original UFO footage wich I consider very
good. At the end the NY-PSI concluded this case was real. Is'nt this something?

Okay, perhaps it's a sign of the apocalypse but I agree with Navalfc (for real I'm serious). UFO Hunters isn't a good show. As much as this topic needs exposure for the masses, it's unfortunate that this program has a propensity in most cases for great leaps of faith. It looks like they mean well, but they cannot see past their own blind faith. I think the show is a step in the right direction but my only hope is that it's not doing more harm than good.

I personally love the show and I think we can't be overly critical since nothing is 100% perfect, everyone makes errors etc. But they do a very good job and are balanced between the skeptical side and the believers side. It is a great thing to see. I have seen shows that I feel do accomplish things while others less so, but the analysis is very interesting.

I think they did a great job on debunking the Lighthouse Theory in the Rendlesham Forest Case, I loved that episode.