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I am simply reluctant to apply 'groupings' and to trust seemingly obvious connections, especially in intelligence, it gets very complicated
I haven't but it sounds very interesting, as do the Circle, I don't know much about them at all. You have piqued my curiousity though, thank you.
Originally posted by Someone336
What do you think of Angelton's connections to Mossad?
Originally posted by Someone336
Furthermore, could you elaborate on the CIA and Standard Oil?
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Time magazine wrote a large expose on the BCCI bank – the international bank that was essential in October Surprise, Iran-Contra, and possibly 9/11. It had this to say:
But B.C.C.I. is more than just a criminal bank. From interviews with sources close to B.C.C.I., TIME has pieced together a portrait of a clandestine division of the bank called the "black network," which functions as a global intelligence operation and a Mafia-like enforcement squad.
But the CIA may have used B.C.C.I. as more than an undercover banker: U.S. agents collaborated with the black network in several operations, according to a B.C.C.I. black-network "officer" who is now a secret U.S. government witness. Sources have told investigators that B.C.C.I. worked closely with Israel's spy agencies and other Western intelligence groups as well, especially in arms deals. The bank also maintained cozy relationships with international terrorists, say investigators who discovered suspected terrorist accounts for Libya, Syria and the Palestine Liberation Organization in B.C.C.I.'s London offices.
One of the main source of funding for black opps at the highest level has been private individuals. Utterly trace or audit trail foof. As a former DCI stated if you really want to keep something secret, apply the rule NOP, nothing on paper.
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What might be this “black network” be? Here is a possible theory to its origin, indicating a hidden cabal sitting atop the early CIA.
I came across this at www.isgp.eu... :
In his 1977 book 'The Night Watch', former CIA officer David Atlee Phillips wrote on page 123 (according to Lobster): "...that small circle of well-bred, highly educated adventurers who were known to some in the CIA as the 'Knights Templars' - Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner, Kermit Roosevelt, Tracey Barnes, Dick Bissell, and kindred spirits. Other CIA veterans have confirmed the existence of similar associations within the agency, with names like the "Century group" and the "Gold Key group".
Here is a little on each of the names mentioned as being members of the “Knights Templar”:
Allen Dulles: Served under William Donovan in the OSS, in charge of providing assistance to resistance groups in occupied France. Worked closely with the founding of the CIA, and initiated Operation Paperclip. In 1953, he became CIA director, and MK-ULTRA was established under his reign. Established Operation Mockingbird, which was used to “influence domestic and foreign media” in the early 1950s. Mockingbird would be involved in the CIA project PBSUCCESS, which overthrow the President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala in 1954. After Castro overthrew Batista, Dulles created Operation 40, which was overseen by Richard Nixon. Members include E. Howard Hunt, Barry Seal, and Frank Sturgis, and later Ted Shackley I believe this group conducted the JFK assassination. Dulles sat on the board of United Fruit, which was closely connected to the Cuban cause. In the same year as PBSUCCESS, Dulles created Operation Ajax, which overthrew Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mosaddeq after he nationalized Iranian oil. After Bay of Pigs, Dulles and Richard Bissell were forced to resign by John F. Kennedy. After the assassination, Lyndon Johnson placed Dulles on the Warren Commission.
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Born in Solingen, Germany, Adolf Eichmann was the son of a businessman and industrialist, Adolf Karl Eichmann, and Maria née Schefferling. [3] In 1914, his family moved to Linz, Austria, after his mother died. During the First World War, Eichmann's father served in the Austro-Hungarian Army. At the war's conclusion, Eichmann's father returned to the family and had a business in Linz. Eichmann left high school (Realschule) without having graduated and began training to become a mechanic, which he also discontinued. In 1923 he started working in the mining company of his father, from 1925 to 1927 he worked as a salesclerk for the Oberösterreichische Elektrobau AG and then until spring 1933 Eichmann worked as district agent for the Vacuum Oil Company AG, a subsidiary of Standard Oil. In July 1933 he moved back to Germany. [4]
We briefly discussed the history of some of the key players in Le Cercle: Jean Violet and Antoine Pinay, the official founders; and their patron, Otto von Habsburg; how Violet and Pinay recruited individuals like Jean Monnet, Konrad Adenauer and Robert Schuman, and influenced the early history of the European Union. We also discussed how an agent of both Monnet and Violet recruited a well-connected member of British and American intelligence, Brian Crozier, and made him head of their Cercle in 1980. We also discussed the anti-communist and pro-Europe activities of its key members.
"Gehlen, who was always interested in the undertaking [of the Pinay Circle], its figures, its personalities and its results, succeeded in recruiting Violet [the Circle founder and Otto von Habsburg- and SDECE agent] as a special agent and granted him 6000 DM a month for many years. He also claimed that this sum had been agreed with the former head of the SDECE, General Jacquier because Violet is also receiving the same sum from the SDECE."
In 1942, he was approached by Colonel Henning von Tresckow, Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg and General Adolf Heusinger to participate in an assassination attempt on German dictator Adolf Hitler. His role was minor. When the plot culminated in the failed bomb plot of July 20, 1944, Gehlen's role was covered up and he escaped Hitler's brutal retaliation against the conspirators[2].
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The CIA would later remove all mentions of Globke from Eichmann's memoirs, presumably in an attempt to protect Adenauer. However, it may seem that Gehlen and Adenauer knew each other before this introduction: both were members of Le Cercle, perhaps even founding members:
Originally posted by Someone336
So is there a possibility that the BND is the creation not of Gehlen, his organization, and Adenauer, but also Le Cercle, and thus, a web of big business and intelligence agencies?
Originally posted by Someone336
The two might even possibly go further back: Adenauer was suspected, but not proven, to be part of the 1944 failed bomb plot attempt to assassinate Hitler. From wikipedia:
In 1942, he was approached by Colonel Henning von Tresckow, Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg and General Adolf Heusinger to participate in an assassination attempt on German dictator Adolf Hitler. His role was minor. When the plot culminated in the failed bomb plot of July 20, 1944, Gehlen's role was covered up and he escaped Hitler's brutal retaliation against the conspirators[2].
What do you think?
Originally posted by Someone336
I agree that Gehlen's role is largely exaggerated, but given his ties to Le Cercle, as well as to J. Peter Grace (of Iran-Contra fame) and Dimitri von Mohrenschildt (brother of George de Mohrenschildt of JFK assassination fame, who also worked the Grace family) though Radio Free Europe, I believe he is a very important figure.
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I also read that Joseph Retinger, who was crucial in the CIA's funding of the United Europe idea, as well as founding Bildeberg with Prince Bernard of the Netherlands (who worked for I.G. Farben's N.W.7) was also connected to Radio Free Europe, but I can't seem to pin that down. Gehlen surrounded himself with people connected to the unification of Europe.
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I've found Counterterrorist's posts, and find them very informative, dovetailing much of mine own research. I u2ued him over a week ago relating to some of this stuff, but he's yet to have responded.
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I would love some more info on the bomb plot; I'm unfortunately not very knowledgeable about it, but find it fascinating none-the-less. I've often wondered if Himmler had more roles in such things that is generally recorded in history books.
I know nothing about Grace, other than the names crops up with frequency I have never looked in that direction. I remember a member called Golddragnet posted something about them though...I'll see if I can dig it out.
FROM 86-91 MUCH OF AMERICARES AID GOES TO CENTRAL AMERICA AND USSR BLOC
COUNTRIES SUCH AS AFGHANISTAN, ETHIOPIA, ARMENIA AND POLAND. AID GIVEN TO
NICARAGUA AFTER CHAMORRO WON THE 90 ELECTION. KNIGHTS OF MALTA
DISTRIBUTED AID. KNIGHTS, AMERICARES PARTNER IN MOST OF WORLD. KNIGHTS
POWERFUL VATICAN ORDER WITH EXTENSIVE AND CLOSE TIES TO INTEL ORGS IN WEST
EUROPE AND U.S. IN 84 AMERICARES EVACUATED MUJAHEDDEN TO WALTER REED
HOSPITAL IN D.C. PROVIDES MEDICAL SUPPLIES TO 57 CLINICS IN AFGHANISTAN. IN
CENTRAL AMERICA KNIGHTS OF MALTA DISTRIBUTE MUCH OF AMERICARES AID. ROBERTO
ALEJOS ARZU, A WEALTHY GUATEMALAN WORKS WITH AMERICARES. AMERICARES AID
DISTRIBUTED ALSO BY AIR COMMANDOS OF HARRY ADERHOLT. ALEJOS' PLANTATION
SERVED AS CIA TRG BASE FOR BAY OF PIGS INVASION. SANDINISTAS ACCUSE
AMERICARES OF BEING A CIA FRONT. VILLAGE VOICE 1/8/91 22-31
In 1967, Nelson Bunker Hunt provided Cameron Townsend, founder of the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and the Wycliffe Bible Translators, property in Dallas for a new international translation center. Thy Will Be Done, by Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett, documents the business and political connections between Wycliffe Bible Translators, the Rockefeller family, and the CIA. The result of the dealings was the genocide of indigenous tribes in the Amazon basin, although Cam Townsend denied the deaths.
George's uncle (Reinhold von Mohrenschildt) was heavily involved in Generalplan Ost, he was a high ranking SS officer (I can't remember is exact designation off the top of my head). Of those that were directly involved in the orchestration and execution of Generalplan Ost, von Mohrenschildt not only survived (no other ranking SS officers who had active knowledge did) but he escaped all prosecution too...but then who was left to testify against him!
Originally posted by Someone336
I would love some more info on the bomb plot; I'm unfortunately not very knowledgeable about it, but find it fascinating none-the-less. I've often wondered if Himmler had more roles in such things that is generally recorded in history books.
Originally posted by Someone336
I'll have to dig up my sources for Gehlen's role in the operation.