A Secret Cabal in the CIA

Please forgive me drifting into the idea of nations who really try to help each other, as opposed to so-called Muslims. I read at least most of the Holy Koran. To act in such obvious horror, so different, is and what this theological neophite prophet claimed as his sacred book, would make me laugh. to me religion is a curse, not a blessing.

If only people claiming to be Muslim would give their heart to peace in a rational,way or at least refuse to be lumped in with "others" they would tell would others who claim Islam as their faith who explode's bombs, etc: YOU LIE!

When will the world accept there are some Muslims who don't have the balls to think, but only hate. The Christians had the same problem 1,000 years ago when they as the crusaders robed and raped their way across the middle east. If I can say anything in my life that makes sense, PLEASE stop using God as an excuse.

Originally posted by Someone336
E. Howard scribbled the initials "LBJ," standing for Kennedy's ambitious vice president, Lyndon Johnson. Under "LBJ," connected by a line, he wrote the name Cord Meyer.

My understanding is that LBJ's family owned, I believe it was, Johnson's Meat which was contracted out as the main supplier of meat to the military in Vietnam, especially. And, I understand it, however true it is or not, that the day of his assasination, not only was he rerouted and placed from a hardtopped vehicle to a convertable, but, he was on his way to sign papers ending the war which were still on the desk at where he was going only to be rounded up by LBJ's staff soon after the shooting. If those things are true, then LBJ through his family stood to make a fortune from the war, especially on par with the war's escalating as he did cause. I'd say, it's safe to assume LBJ is a potential candidate for the Kennedy assasination theory.

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Mod edit: Fixed BBC tags.

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For anyone who thinks the CIA does not haves its rouges, cliques, and hangers on for what ever reason, your an idiot.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

Full of Barry Seal stories. Old Barry was called "the greatest American patriot" -- so true -- so true

Sad we only realize it 20 years or so later

Barry Seal is a fascinating element. He was in the same Civil Air Patrol unit with David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald.



This a picture of the CIA's Operation 40 team. Barry Seal is the third man from the left, the one looking at the camera and smiling. The man closest to the camera is Felix Rodriguez, who in 1967 was recruited by David Morales to head a team to capture Che Guevara.

In 1967, the CIA recruited him to train and head a team to hunt down the Marxist[1] guerrilla leader Ernesto "Che" Guevara in Bolivia. When Guevara was captured, Rodriguez interrogated him. Rodriguez has claimed that he wanted to keep Guevara alive for further interrogation. However, notes from a "CIA Debriefing of Félix Rodríguez, June 3, 1975" state that Guevara was executed while in Rodriguez' custody.[2] Rodriguez has in his possession Guevara's Rolex wristwatch which he keeps as a trophy.[3]

The Miami Herald reported, on 20 June 2004, that Miami immigration Judge Neale Foster ruled that Rodríguez' testimony on behalf of a torture suspect would be "given no weight" because Rodríguez acknowledged having been involved in the human rights violations including the summary execution of Che Guevara.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...(Central_Intelligence_Agency)#Bay_of_Pigs_and_Bolivia

(Rodriguez would later train people for Operation Phoenix, and later would be directly involved with Oliver North is Iran-Contra. www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk... )

In 1963, Barry Seal joined the 20st Special Forces group. According to his wife, while he was in this group, he flew a get away jet out of Dallas on November 22nd, 1963. Counterterrorist, on another thread at www.abovetopsecret.com... posted some excellent information on the 20th Special Forces Group:

“Was there anything unusual about Barry Seal’s 20th Special Forces Group? Yes... When it was discovered that the Birmingham-based 20th had sent a detachment of Green Berets to Memphis to carry out an unknown mission on the day Martin Luther King was assassinated, the local paper, The Memphis Commercial Appeal had investigated. They discovered that the 20th was chockfull of veterans of CIA assassination ops in Southeast Asia. The paper quoted a former army counterintelligence major as stating that the 20th Special Forces Group had even had a domestic intelligence network, operated for them by the Ku Klux Klan and ‘Klan Special Forces.’

In the late 1960s, Seal went to work for Howard Hughes, which is notable, because it was Hughes' right hand man Robert Maheu who acted as a go between for the Mafia and Mob in the agency's war on Castro. In this time, he also involved with Shackley in Laos:

Barry Seal did a lot of damn good stuff in the late 60s. In 67 and 68 he was with Air America in South Vietnam and Laos during Search and Destroy and Special Ops with Ted Shackley's boys. He'd been recruited for Special Ops because of the Cuban thing."

He would become involved in drug smuggling in 1975, running coc aine out of South American for the Medellin Cartel, into Mena, Arkansas.

An independent group of researchers in Arkansas are charging that Governor Bill Clinton is covering up an airport used by the CIA and major coc aine smugglers in a remote corner of the Ozark mountains. According to Deborah Robinson of In These Times, the Inter mountain Regional Airport in Mena,Arkansas continues to be the hub of operations for people like assassinated coc aine kingpin Barry Seal as well as government intelligence operations linked to arms and drug smuggling.

In the 1980's, the Mena airport became one of the world's largest aircraft refurbishing centers, providing services to planes from many countries.Researchers claim that the largest consumers of aircraft refurbishing services are drug smugglers and intelligence agencies involved in covert activities.In fact, residents of Mena, Arkansas, have told reporters that former marine Lt. Colonel Oliver North was a frequent visitor during the 1980's. Eugene Hasenfus, a pilot who was shot down in a Contra supply plane over Nicaragua in 1986, was also seen in town renting cargo vehicles.

www.ncoic.com...

Seal was given two aircrafts by Beech Aircraft, which was a CIA front company that owned Southern Air. Southern Air's connections to the CIA are mentioned in the thread "I Think I Found A Secret Facility": www.abovetopsecret.com...

Barry's drug running in this time was deeply connected to Iran-Contra. But the IRS caught up with him: they seized all his assets, demanding $30 million. Barry put a call into to George Bush, saying that if he didn't call the IRS off his back, he would blow the whistle on the entire government drug smuggling ring. Two weeks later, he was murdered, shot dead in his car in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. In his pocket was George Bush Sr.'s private phone number. The murder was blamed on hitmen from the Medellin cartel. However:

“Chip Tatum, another covert operative who had known Seal and shared confidences with him, listened with amusement the first time we breathlessly relayed what we’d discovered: that Oliver North is guilty in the assassination of Barry Seal. . . ‘No sh*t, Sherlock,’ he replied, laughing. ‘It ain’t exactly the secret of the century, I can tell you.’”

Hopsicker is the first researcher to note there were other murders that same day, including top people in the Medellin cartel. Pablo Carrera, the number-two man, was gunned down in Colombia, as was Pablo Ochilla, the brother-in-law of Jorge Ochoa. The murders took place simultaneously in Colombia, Miami and Baton Rouge.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...
en.wikipedia.org...

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reply to post by mike dangerously

A great thread,stared and flagged! it is interesting to see the connections these banks had with the JFK hit.

Here is a little piece of information that you might find interesting, and it fits into the overall puzzle.

The stock market dropped 24 points in 27 minutes when news of President Kennedy's assassination was announced. 2.6 million shares were sold off. It was the greatest panic since 1929. Somebody made a huge profit selling short in many markets. Somebody made half a billion dollars in one day. Coincidentally, the Allied Crude Vegetable Oil Refining Corporation, headed by New Jersey commodities dealer Anthony De Angeles, crashed the same day, driving the market down. Allied Crude was controlled by U.S. American Bunge Corporation and financially controlled by a group of share-holders headquartered in Argentina, known as "Bunge and Born, LDA."

www.maebrussell.com...

Bunge was deeply connected to the Nazis, particularly the Nazi plot to forge British money and flood the country with it, collapsing their markets.

At some point, the underlying mission of Action 1 changed. Himmler and Lt. Grobel, head of Bureau VI, became greedy. They envisioned laundering the notes on a large scale and skimming the profits for their personal benefit. To accomplish the widespread distribution, Friedrich Schwend was brought into the operation. In the 1920s, Schwend was an arms dealer. He married the niece of the Minister of Exterior, Baron von Neurath. Through his wife’s family connections he managed to be appointed as the personal administrator of the extremely wealthy Bunge family. This is the same Bunge family connected with the John F Kennedy assassination that made a small fortune by shorting the market the day Kennedy was murdered. In the 1930s, Schwend was working from New York managing the investments of Bunge & Born.

Schwend was brought into Bureau IV as paymaster of the money-laundering end of the scheme. At this point he was given a false identification as Major Wendig, a legal officer of the Gestapo and a member of the tank corps. In September 1943, Schwend started setting up his network and requested Colonel Josef Spacil to maintain the bookkeeping aspects of the operation. The same Colonel Spacil that was involved in funding Skorzeny as reported earlier in this chapter. Operation Bernhard is limited to this scheme of private enrichment. Schwend was skimming a third of the counterfeit notes for this group.

pdp-8.org...

A little extra info on this plot: www.lawrencemalkin.com...

Time magazine mentions Bunge in an interesting article:

In a neo-Tudor office building in Buenos Aires, a clattering telex last week typed out more than 1,000 messages a day from the four corners of the world. There was news of jute prices in Calcutta, of harvest prospects in Illinois, and of grain shipments from Australia. All these reports had the same addressee: Bunge & Born Ltd., a firm so powerful that Argentines call it "El Pulpo"—the Octopus.

www.time.com...

"The Octopus" is precisely what murdered journalist Danny Casolaro called the vast network of rogue CIA men and criminals that we are discussing here. Here is a description of Casolaro's "Octopus":

Danny Casolaro believed the Octopus responsible for criminal conspiracies which, linked, formed a virtual history of intelligence double dealing from 1950 to the present. These events, in Casolaro's view, included the ousters of US President Richard Nixon, Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, the Shah of Iran, and the murders of Chilean President Allende, and, of course, of President John F. Kennedy. Casolaro saw the Octopus' tentacles entwined throughout the creation of the Golden Triangle and Latin America drug trade, the Cuban Bay of Pigs debacle, the October Surprise, the BCCI banking scandal, and, almost as an afterthought, the theft of the PROMIS software. Casolaro found a "Secret Team," a high cabal of players operating a clandestine, parallel government, identified previously by other writers. The cabal had operated beyond the control or scrutiny of the elected government, financed by drug- running from Southeast Asia and the Americas... Casolaro believed the crimes could best be identified by linking them to a small network of named individuals that made up his Octopus. He outlined their hierarchy and provided specific detail about their behind-the-scenes role in contemporary political history.
Casolaro named people both familiar and unfamiliar to other researchers. He deemed the "first level" operatives to be Richard Helms, George Pender, John Philip Nichols, and Ray Cline. The second level included Robert Chasen, E. Howard Hunt, Edwin Wilson, Thomas Clines, and Ted Shackley Working backward from the PROMIS theft, Casolaro saw them in a new relationship, a nearly organic entity that impacted on both past and then current events..."

A separate Time article also identifies another group called "The Octopus":

And what better title than Hollywood's own name for MCA, The Octopus?

www.time.com...

Eugene Giaquinto, president of MCA's Home Entertainment Division, was mentioned as one of M.I.L.'s board directors. (Nichols' Meridian International Logistics corporation). Noted Connolly, "[FBI] agents caught Giaquinto and Nichols lunching at Le Dome, the swank Los Angeles show business restaurant, and afterward transferring a box from Giaquinto's car to Nichols's. The [wire] taps caught them discussing possible takeovers of MCA, and the effect on stock prices. It was also evident from the wiretaps that Giaquinto enjoyed a special relationship with John Gotti ..."

www.lycaeum.org...!.htm

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Can we get this thread into the hands of all media outlets, pronto, before someone get's "taken care of" for disclosing such an amazing find?

(con't)

John Gotti was a member of the Gambino crime family. Clint Murchinson, the friend of George Mohrenschildt (Oswald's handler), was connected to the Gambinos. Murchinson was also close to J. Edgar Hoover.

In the deposition of ex-CIA man Richard Brenneke, John Gotti is mentioned: (Brenneke was like Barry Seal, running drugs from South America to Mena)

Q. So you worked for Mr. Gotti as well as for the CIA?

A. Actually the CIA told me to do that on his behalf.

Q. So the CIA was in, would you say, partnership or association with Mr. Gotti?

A. Yes, sir. I would say a partnership.

Q. And can you describe the nature of that partnership?

A. Sure. The organized crime members had a need for two things; they needed drugs brought into the country on a reliable, safe basis, they needed people taken out of the country or people brought into the country without alerting customs or INS to the fact that they were being brought into the country, they also needed their money taken offshore so that it would not be subject to United States tax where they might have to declare its source. And so we performed these kinds of functions for them.

Q. Mr. Brenneke, are you saying that the CIA was in the business of bringing drugs into the United States?

A. Yes, sir. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Q. And that they were in partnership with John Gotti in this operation?

A. I would say that they worked with Mr. Gotti and his organization very closely. Whether it was a formal partnership, I don't know. But there certainly was a close alliance between the two.

Q. All right. Now, let's go back to the Mena Airport in Arkansas for a moment. At a time when you saw Mr. Reale there, did he receive any of the shipment, the cargo of the drugs that you brought back from Panama?

A. He did not personally take any of the drugs. He did, however, see that they were transferred into aircraft and vehicles so that they could be moved off the field, and that was his function. His function was not to load the vehicles, but to see that nothing got lost on transit.

Q. Are you saying that drugs that you brought back from Central America to Mena were for the purpose of delivery to Mr. Reale, who was in the employ of Mr. John Gotti, the New York crime syndicate boss?

www.wethepeople.la...

This begins to tie everything together closer. Things get even closer when you look at the First Intercontinental Development Corporation, a NSC founded company used to secretly fund the Mujaheddin. The board of directors include:

Robert Maheu, as vice president. Maheu was the Howard Hughes man who acted as go between the Mafia and Mob back in the early 1960s to deal with the Cuban situation.

Robert Booth Nichols was the director.

I later learned, in 1992, that Robert Booth Nichols had strong ties to MCA Corporation through Eugene Giaquinto, president of MCA Corporation Home Entertainment Division.

Though Nichols has no known source of income in the US, the background check within the report stated Nichols resided nine months of the year at a $3.5 million villa in Italy, and his name "was associated with the illegal transportation of narcotics through the Golden Triangle.

www.zoominfo.com...

The Gambino-connected Texas oil man with the connections to the JFK assassination is also on the board of FIDCO.

www.lycaeum.org...

In the end they will fail. To all those interested in me and who I am, we are on to you.

I told you we are watching you,

Eye of Eagle

good article and good find, although its well know throught the world that bankers bend over to the whimms of the Intel community!

GREAT!! Starred and flagged!

On another level, just look at the history of the CIA and its historic ties to Yale University, where it's predecessor the OSS was formed.
Yale also coincidentally enough was the alma mater of of the Bush's where they were also ALL members of the secret society, the Skull and Bones.
The mention of the CIA's inner circle , the Knights Templar is the tie to the Illuminati and their royal lineage traced back to Europe and the Queen of England.
Also, look into the recent bailout of AIG and their ties to the CIA.
Not enough time at the moment to go into details but in essence, the AIG corporation was and has been used to launder money for the CIA.

There have been several private jets linked to the CIA, found loaded with Cocaine in Mexico and Central America.

A former DEA agent wrote a book on all of this as well as the ties to George Bush Senior, who lead the CIA for a while.

We essentially have an old boys club of Ivy league school elitists running this country under the Guise of a Democracy and calling the shots in their govt sponsored Mafia called the CIA.

reply to post by nh_ee


One explanation for why they call themselves the "Knights Templar" is a possible connection to Sovereign Knights of Malta. Allen Dulles and James Jesus Angelton were both members of the Knights of Malta. Dulles' commanding officer, William "Wild Bill" Donovan was a Knight of Malta. William Casey, another OSS/CIA man involved in Iran Contra with ties to the Gambino crime family, was also a Knight of Malta. Shackley's team conducted drug running under Casey's eye. Oliver North was a Knight of Malta, as was E. Howard Hunt's friend William F. Buckley, whose kidnapping prompted Iran-Contra. The whole Bush clan had ties to the Knights of Malta, and Frank Carlucci, who was a Bush friend and key Iran-Contra player, was a Knight. J. Peter Grace, who ran Radio Free Europe with Reinhard Gehlen (pivotal in NATO's Operation Gladio, also a Knight of Malta) and Dimitri von Mohrenschildt, the brother of George de Mohrenschildt, who was "Oswald's Handler". George de Mohrenschildt also worked for the Grace family in the early 1960s. Peter Grace's company, the AmeriCares, transferred funds the Contras during Iran-Contra. J. Edgar Hoover was a Knight, and Lee Iacocca, who made Carl Renas remove the car that JFK was shot in before it could be examined. Henry Luce, who hid the Zapruder film from public eye, was a Knight. Clay Shaw was a Knight.

Basically, the Knights of Malta tie everything together in a neat little package. But why the connection with the Knights Templar?

The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta (known as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), Order of Malta or Knights of Malta for short) is a Roman Catholic order based in Rome, Italy. The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is a sovereign subject of international law.[1]

It takes its origins from the Knights Hospitaller, an organization founded in Jerusalem in 1050 as an Amalfitan hospital to provide care for poor and sick pilgrims to the Holy Land. After the conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 during the First Crusade, it became a Catholic military order under its own charter. Following the loss of Christian territory to Islamic conquerors of the Holy Land, the Order operated from Rhodes (1310-1523), and later from Malta (1530-1798), over which it was sovereign.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now look at this:

The Knights Templar were dissolved in 1312 and much of their property was given to the Hospitallers. The holdings were organized into eight tongues (one each in Aragon, Auvergne, Castile, England, France, Germany, Italy, and Provence). Each was administered by a Prior or, if there was more than one priory in the tongue, by a Grand Prior. At Rhodes and later Malta, the resident knights of each tongue were headed by a Bailli. The English Grand Prior at the time was Philip Thame, who acquired the estates allocated to the English tongue from 1330 to 1358.

en.wikipedia.org...

Reactions to the suppression of the Templars varied from country to country. German knights of the Order either joined the Hospitallers or the Teutonic Knights. One leading Scottish Templar, William St. Clair of Roslin, who was the great-great-grandfather of the founder of Rosslyn Chapel, was killed in Lithuania fighting for the Teutonic Knights. In Portugal the Templars were not suppressed at all, they simply changed their name to the Knights of Christ and carried on under royal patronage.38 Many years later Vasco de Gama the explorer, became a member and Prince Henry the Navigator was a Grand Master of the re-named Order. The Archbishop of Compostela made a vain plea for clemency for the brave knights by writing to the pope begging that the Templars be spared as they were needed for the Reconquista the fight against the Moors to recapture Spain for the Catholic monarchy.

www.tylwythteg.com...

I don't believe that a secret agenda has existed since the Crusades, but this is a good explanation, in my opinion, as to why this cabal has called itself the "Knights Templar". However, the group which lurks behind the globalization movement, most certainly dates back to the 1700s.

Here is something really interesting that I just came across. Bunge, the "Octopus" that was connected to the Nazis and seems to have had foreknowledge of the JFK assassination, has this to say about it from wikipedia.com:

The families became even more low profile; but in July 1989, Jorge Born, president of the company from 1987 (replacing the "business genius" Mario Hirsch), began working closely with the government of Carlos Menem. Bunge provided the government with its first two economy ministers. This foray into government policy making, however, ended in a new currency crisis that December. This failure upset the other shareholders and compounded by the company's lackluster business performance, this crisis resulted in Born's 1991 ouster from the board; he was replaced by Chief Operations Officer Octavio Caraballo.

Carlos Menem, a member of the Peronist party (Peron was deeply involved with the Nazis), was the president of Argentina from 1989 to 1999. In 2008, he fell under investigation for the Río Tercero explosion.

The Río Tercero explosion was a blast in Río Tercero, Córdoba, Argentina, on November 3, 1995 that happened at a munitions factory and killed seven people.

On that date, a munitions plant in Río Tercero exploded, killing seven people and injuring more than 300. The town was devastated by the explosion. The blast was initially ruled an accident, but subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion was deliberately planned. According to prosecutors, the plant was destroyed to hide missing military equipment relating to illegal arms sales from Argentina to Croatia and Ecuador, which took place from 1991 to 1995.

en.wikipedia.org...

2001 July - Former president Carlos Menem is charged with heading an 'illicit organisation' that violated international arms embargoes against Croatia and Ecuador in the early 1990s. A court throws out all arms trafficking charges against Menem, freeing him after five months of house arrest.

www.democraticunderground.com...

ipsnews.net...

Menem is a close friend of George Bush Jr, as well as Middle Eastern terrorists: findarticles.com...

But most importantly to our current discussion, he is connected to the BCCI bank:

The Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), its offices in downtown Buenos Aires now shuttered, leaves behind questions about alleged links to shady deals and a host of embarrassed officials scrambling to deny they had anything but a passing acquaintance with it.

Among those scrambling are former aides to President Carlos Menem. Political opponents have accused them of having cozy ties with BCCI's high-profile man in Argentina, Saudi Arabian financier Ghaith Pharaon - whom New York District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau has accused of being a front man for BCCI, using its funds as though they were his own, without risk to himself.

www.highbeam.com...

Ghaith Pharaon is a fascinating character. He was involved with BCCI, as noted above, and when Salem Bin Laden (member of the 1001 Club, BCCI, and investor in George Bush's Arbusto Energy) died after the BCCI scandal broke, all his assets in George Bush's Arbusto passed to him.

According to a 70-page French parliamentary report released in October 2002, Pharaon has been identified as a recent player in the informal money- and value-transferring (or hawala) networks of al Qaeda head Osama bin Laden.

Pharaon was an investor in the Main Bank of Houston. Another investor was John Connally, who took a bullet on November 22nd, 1963. A third investor is Khalid Bin Mahfouz, who was also involved with BCCI. He seems to have funded Osama Bin Laden: www.guardian.co.uk...

The Main Bank seems suspicious itself:

In fact, Saudi planes in the 1980s landed in Houston with mountains of cash used to buy nuclear material for Saddam to possibly use against the Iranians. The money was laundered through Houston's Main Bank, a bank close to the Bush family. Skyway Aircraft of Houston, owned by Bath, was invested in by Abu Dhabi's ruler (the main owner of BCCI) and whose parent company in the Cayman Islands was used by Ollie North to collect foreign money for his Iran-contra enterprise.

verifiedvotingfoundation.org...

and stranger yet:

Unusual transactions involving Main Bank in the late 1970s came to light last year when a researcher discovered that the small community bank, at a time when it held only $58 million in deposits, had been buying $10 million a month in new $100 bills. Purpose: unknown.

www.time.com...

If this intends to be a serious inquiry into the skulduggery of BCCI, the name Kh*lid bin M*hfouz (substitute "a" for asterisks) would be discussed.

He is one of the richest men in the world, banker of bankers in Saudi Arabia, his clients include the Saudi royal family, and he lives in London.

He owned 20% of the shares in BCCI, more by proxies, was indicted in NY state on fraud charges, settling out of court by paying $225 million.

Many respectable worldwide news sources have reported his wife was the sister of Osama bin Laden. He donated $270,000 to al Qaida, and his son runs a charity the US has designated a front for them, and other terrorists groups.

Little reaches the press on his activites. He has managed to suppress the publication of at least a dozen books on Middle East terrorism financing that implicate him, buy threatening the publishers with multi-million dollar lawsuits that would put them out of business. One book recently slipped through the net, "Funding Terrorism" by Rachel Ehrenfeld as an injuction against it was only binding in the UK, but not the US. 50 other suits or threats to sue have shut up the rest.

I don't type his name as there are people out there on the Net making sure he is left unmentioned, and closing down sites and blogs where he is.

BCCI was the communal dirty deeds banking consortium for high level worldwide money-laundering for years. Anyone and everyone with ill-gotten gains in the millions did business with them. They asked no questions, and knew how to keep a secret.

He and his pales are still at it, diversifying the operations under different names. One of their more recent profile projects was a plot to destry major American buildings using airliners.

If anyone is interested in knowing where the billions stolen from the populations of African, Asian, and Middle East coutries is siphoned off to, follow this bad guy.

Welcome to the real world of conspiracy.


Mike F

reply to post by Someone336
Looks like there was some insider deals going on around the time of JFK's murder.I also recall the Presidents feud with Big Steel I always wondered about that.

reply to post by mmiichael
M*hfouz is certainly an interesting person as is the House of Saud's connections to BCCI something that has never really been investigated at any length but since they control the oil we can't risk offending these corrupt rat bastards.

I know the number to the CIA

Originally posted by mmiichael

He is one of the richest men in the world, banker of bankers in Saudi Arabia, his clients include the Saudi royal family, and he lives in London.

He lives in London due to the considerable benefits offered by the UK Non-Domicile Tax status 'scam'.

www.guardian.co.uk...

To the OP, though I don't agree with some of the connections you have made you have done a sterling job of collecting this informations together. Regarding your earlier posts, I would suggest you look at the interactions during the early years of the CIA with British SIS, particularly MI6.

Donovan, Dulles, Wisner and Angleton all had very firm connections to MI6. Many operations during that time, (Iran for example) were carried out by the US operative but planned by the Brits. Following the defection of Burgess and Maclean, the increasing suspicions and interference from Hoover at the FBI broke this relationship down, but for a time they were indistinguishable and it was the Brits that were doing all the string pulling, though not necessarily MI6.

Kim Philby was the US liaison between the two agencies. Kim Philby's father, St John Philby, negotiated the concession between Bin Saud and Standard Oil. He knew Dulles well. Kim was particularly close to Wisner and it was his actions in part that are believed to have led to Wisner's suicide. Angleton was trained in counter intelligence by Kim. Angleton was also a close friend of Victor, third Baron Rothschild, who had himself been an operative of SIS during the second world war.

Angleton was later instrumental in a plot organised by elements in MI5 to have Harold Wilson, the then British Prime Minster outed in a military coup.

Good informative thread

To the OP, though I don't agree with some of the connections you have made you have done a sterling job of collecting this informations together. Regarding your earlier posts, I would suggest you look at the interactions during the early years of the CIA with British SIS, particularly MI6.

Just out of curiosity, which aspects do you disagree with? If you've noticed any factual errors, please let me know!

The interactions between the CIA and British intelligence is fascinating.. I was just looking at Kim Philby today, as a matter of fact.

Kim Philby's father, St John Philby, negotiated the concession between Bin Saud and Standard Oil. He knew Dulles well. Kim was particularly close to Wisner and it was his actions in part that are believed to have led to Wisner's suicide.

Incredible, I was unfamiliar with the connection between St. John Philby with Standard Oil and the Saudis. Could you elaborate on Kim and Wisner's suicide? I noticed that a large number of these early CIA men met their end at suicide.

Have you heard any information on the "Committee of 26"? I mentioned it in my initial post, and it allegedly acts as

a super-secret "liaison desk" between the highest echelons of British and American agencies and has the "co-operation" of the French

Angleton was later instrumental in a plot organised by elements in MI5 to have Harold Wilson, the then British Prime Minster outed in a military coup.

The ousting of Wilson is really interesting. Are you familiar with Le Cercle? German intel man Hans Langemann provided documents from them when Brian Crozier was heading the group? Langemann has this to say:

Amongst other points in the (Crozier) planning paper are:

Specific Aims within this framework are to affect a change of government in

1.
the United Kingdom - accomplished.
2.
In West Germany to defend freedom of trade and movement and oppose all forms of subversion including terrorism ..

"On 5 and 6/1 1980 members of the Circle met in Zurich to discuss executive measures..."

The main things discussed were:

1. (a) international promotion of the Minister President (Strauss) in international publications
2. (b) influencing of the situation in Rhodesia and South Africa following a European Conservative guideline and
3. (c) the establishment of a powerful directional radio station aiming at the Islamic region and including the border populations of the Soviet Union.

"As far as can be judged by outsiders Crozier has initiated with his group the project 'Victory for Strauss' using the tactics applied in Great Britain, of major themes such as the communist, extremist subversion of government parties and trade unions, KGB manipulation of terrorism and damage to internal security."

This "change of government" is the placement of Margaret Thatcher in power, the first step of which was the plot against Wilson. This was instigated by "Shield", a far-right British organization founded by Crozier. Wilson's secretary wrote:

"MI5 were making a mockery out of us. Those people ought to be exposed for what they really are... but you can't identify them. We could be sitting in a room and you might be MI5 and I wouldn't know. Or I might have have been all these years and you wouldn't know."

Le Cercle has a series of interesting members. Here are a few:

Zbigniew Brzezinski: crucial in the establishment of funding the Mujaheddin.
William Casey: OSS during WWII, later CIA. Friend of the Gambino crime family. Connected to Nugan Hand, BCCI, and Iran-Contra
William Colby: OSS, CIA, attorney of Nugan Hand.
Brian Crozier: Shield, friend of the Rockefellers.
Reinhard Gehlen: Abwehr, ODESSA, BND, Knight of Malta
Otto von Habsurg: crucial in establishment of the EU
Henry Kissinger: where to begin?
Jean Monnet: crucial to the establishment of the EU
Richard Nixon: CIA, Watergate, JFK assassination, mob connections, Nazi connections
David Rockefeller: part of the Rockefeller family
Robert Schumann: crucial to the establishment of the EU

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When one looks at the organizations operating behind Jean Monnet and Robert Schumann, as well as Cercle founder Jean Violet, the real face behind the conspiracy becomes unveiled.

Originally posted by Someone336
Just out of curiosity, which aspects do you disagree with? If you've noticed any factual errors, please let me know!

Nothing of the sort! I am simply reluctant to apply 'groupings' and to trust seemingly obvious connections, especially in intelligence, it gets very complicated. All highly incestuous, the Americans are worse than the Brits for it though, there seems an endless interlocking of loyalties.

Originally posted by Someone336
The interactions between the CIA and British intelligence is fascinating.. I was just looking at Kim Philby today, as a matter of fact.

Kim Philby's father, St John Philby, negotiated the concession between Bin Saud and Standard Oil. He knew Dulles well. Kim was particularly close to Wisner and it was his actions in part that are believed to have led to Wisner's suicide.

Incredible, I was unfamiliar with the connection between St. John Philby with Standard Oil and the Saudis. Could you elaborate on Kim and Wisner's suicide? I noticed that a large number of these early CIA men met their end at suicide.

Wisner suffered a mental breakdown following the failure of attemts to 'free' certain countries from the Soviet Block. Two of these attempts, Rumania and particularly Albania were devastating failures, Wisner took them personally. At the time it was Washington policy that by applying their support they could encourage the block countries to rise up against their communist 'oppressors'.

Philby was placed in command of the British side of the operations in Albania. He had trained Wisner in counter-intelligence (as he had most of the ex-OSS who entered into the CIA. Most of those on the British side felt sure that the plan would fail, it lacked manpower and popular support amongst the people. The US were willing to throw money at it though. The thing with Kim Philby, is although he was supplying the Soviets with detailed plans of all the CIA/MI6 operations he was never derelict in his duty. He did both 'jobs' to the best of his ability (incredible character!), and he was an idealist, he did it out of belief not for financial gain.

In the early fifties suspicion fell on Philby, not really in his own camp where he was still tipped for the top but in the US. When Maclean looked to be uncovered as 'Homer', the spy sending messages to Moscow from the British Embassy, and he and Burgess defected, the CIA insisted that London remove him. Wisner is said to have been completely devastated by Philby's unmasking as a spy, although it would be several years before Philby himself would admit to it (which does lead me to believe that there is a little more to it than that...of course his involvement in the Bay of Pigs debacle didn't help).

Originally posted by Someone336
Have you heard any information on the "Committee of 26"? I mentioned it in my initial post, and it allegedly acts as

a super-secret "liaison desk" between the highest echelons of British and American agencies and has the "co-operation" of the French

I haven't but it sounds very interesting, as do the Circle, I don't know much about them at all. You have piqued my curiousity though, thank you.

Originally posted by Someone336
This "change of government" is the placement of Margaret Thatcher in power, the first step of which was the plot against Wilson. This was instigated by "Shield", a far-right British organization founded by Crozier. Wilson's secretary wrote:

"MI5 were making a mockery out of us. Those people ought to be exposed for what they really are... but you can't identify them. We could be sitting in a room and you might be MI5 and I wouldn't know. Or I might have have been all these years and you wouldn't know."

Here's the difficulty...MI5 are defence of the Realm, MI6 are defence of 'the City' (or thereabouts). Two entirely different agendas. MI5 were used by elements within MI6 to get rid of Wilson. Thatcher was the NWOs girl, she belonged to MI6 (or rather she belonged to who MI6 belong to). Her husband Denis, incidently was an executive with Burmah Oil, itself a front for MI6.

You may find the origins of OSS itself interesting to look at (more my time frame, my knowledge of the CIA peters out around the late sixties). OSS was set up at after vigorous prodding from Churchill, who sent his man, Sir William Stephenson (code named Intrepid) to 'aid' the US in counter intelligence operations prior to the US joining the war (which placed Britain on a permanent back foot with the FBI) and Donovan made several secret trips to Britain to see 'how things were done', including with great subterfuge a visit to the hallowed GC&CS at Bletchley Park for a sniff of ULTRA. He returned to the US and advised Roosevelt to support Britain.

He then worked with Stephenson to set up the OSS up under MI6 (then SIS or SO1/2) guidelines. The majority of those recruited to MI6 had a history of international trade, oil and bank executives, owners, entrepreneurs, city lawyers and accountants. OSS took a similar route, in fact for many years, the OSS and the CIA was considered to have a swinging door recruitment policy with Standard Oil, as MI6 did with Shell and BP. Most OSS operatives were trained at SOE facilities in the UK, most were trained by Philby in Counter-Espionage and by Burgess in Black Propaganda (section V).



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