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hope you have a screenshot or something...

what is BNP anyway?

I used to live in Ormesby and Eston in Middlesbrough. I found a couple of people that I once knew on that list.

Still, I feel a few racists will be getting some very lively emails shortly.

Originally posted by nj2day
Dead link... permission denied...

hope you have a screenshot or something...

what is BNP anyway?

The link works fine for me, perhaps it's IP-related or something an not accessible abroad? It's too big for a screenshot as the list is very, very long.

Basically the BNP is the British National Party. It's hard to describe them objectively really. It's a minority political party which has its roots in the National Front which was widely described as a racist party. In fact that, that racist tag still dogs the BNP and I think it always will. The BNP take great pains to deny the racist accusations but it's unlikely they will ever really be shaken-off. For what it's worth, I met many National Front and BNP supporters over the years - and I mean a lot - who openly admitted to being racist and were quite proud of the fact.

They've gained some small ground over recent years as fears over immigration, 'moral decay' (they're very pro-capital punishment) and other bogeymen increase. Although I think it's very unlikely that they'll ever be a mainstream party, let alone win an election.

The leaking of this list is an issue because there's some institutions that prevent employees from having membership or affiliation with the BNP. I think this includes all branches of the military, the Prison Service, and the Police.

I was following the story all of yesterday and it made for great reading on various forums as some BNP members were panicking over their names being released into the public domain. On the one hand I can understand it as it's a privacy issue, but, on the other hand, it's hypocrisy on their part as many of the people connected to the BNP have no qualms in posting the personal details - including photographs - of people with left-wing sympathies on their forums &c with regard to targeting them for various reasons. I myself and people I know have appeared on these, so it's difficult for me to have too much sympathy.

Originally posted by JasonT
So much for being loyal and believing in what the BNP stands for when you're petrified that the member list has been leaked.

That's the wrong way to look at it. The BNP and anyone who supports them are falsely generalised as 'racist'. Yes there are racists among BNP members, but the majority are simply nationalists who love their country, love their culture, and don't want to see it eroded. If the media coverage and public's opinion of the BNP were fair and accurate, its members wouldn't need to worry about privacy. Also bare in mind that known BNP members are instantly dismissed from the Police force (and I'm sure the discrimination is more widespread than that). These people are worried about their careers and safety. I mean, anti-BNP protesters are far more threatening than the BNP (whose members recieve death-threats) - who those protesters ironically accuse of being hateful and violent.

You have to remember that the media are engaged in a conspiracy to misrepresent the BNP (Nationalism deeply threatens the Globalist agenda). I'm not a BNP member (although unless the immigration and political correctness issues are dealt with, I might have no choice but to support them) but it's clear to see that the BNP and its members are unfairly treated (the non-racists among them).

Besides all that, one's political persuasions should be a matter of privacy. Many Labour and Conservative members, I'm sure, would be just as outraged if their persuasion and personal details were published, and they don't even face threats or discrimination like BNP members do. Whatever your political persuasion, surely we can agree that privacy is a right.

Originally posted by Freeborn
A star Cythraul, as usual a succinct and accurate post.

Same to you Sir.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Being anti-immigration and anti-PC doesn't necessarily mean you have to vote BNP. Your views would fall into line with either the Monday club faction of the conservative party or UKIP. Both those parties have more intellectual policies for achieving immigration "balance".

Good point. However, there's no point voting Conservative. They're part of the 2-headed monster that is the current administration - the obligatory protagonist. Nothing will change if they attain power. As Freeborn said, politics has failed us, and I tend to see the minority parties as challenging the whole political system rather than merely challenging the Government. The UKIP have always seemed a little impotent to me. Whilst I disagree with some key BNP policies, I do admire them for their pro-activeness and determination. For example, the BNP's recent "Racism Cuts Both Ways" leaflet - independently printed and distributed. That's grass-roots stuff. It takes a passionate group of people to operate in such a way. That being said, I'll definitely consider the UKIP before considering the BNP.

Originally posted by Freeborn
As an aside, what club were you in and what did you ride?

Just in case anyone thought this was going unanswered for some reason, I PM'ed Freeborn.

I don't just let anyone know the colour of my knickers!

The UK has never had "unregulated immigration". Unregulated means without restriction. Immigration into the UK (from outside the EU) has always been fairly strict and has recently been made more difficult. All EU citizens have a right to live and move without restriction anywhere in the EU. You'd have to leave the EU for that to change.

I will grant you that multi culturalism has been a failure. I am of the view that immigrants should be firmly encouraged to integrate with the prevailing culture.

There is no reason why there shouldn't be a language test prior to entry in UK. That is a reasonable restriction. But perhaps the many British expats in Spain should learn Spanish and not hide away in their English communities, reading The Sun and eating Fish & Chips. We should practice what we preach for a change.

No one is driven out of this country. If a wealthy Brit doesn't want to pay his taxes (taxes set via a democratically elected government), then I seriously doubt their claims to be a patriot if they run. And lets face, only the wealthy can pack their bags and leave when it suits them. You want to move to some fascistic emirate like Dubai, go ahead.

The oft-cited decline of British culture is another myth. Us Brits are at heart a bunch of capitalist mercenaries who will buy anything as long as the price is right or it tastes goods. This country has plenty of museums and libraries that don't cost much but most Brits thrown their money at cheap clothes in TK Maxx, followed by buying a 40" LCD TV to watch the Premiership while they get drunk on Kronenbourg lager (copy of The Sun or Daily Mail close at hand). We have plenty of culture, but we choose to ignore it in preference to being mindless consumers.

Note well that the French have a strong French culture because they buy French products like Renault cars. No, the Brits couldn't possibly do that, they are obsessed with owning BMWs. We destroyed our own car indsutry, not some black guy from Africa or some factory worker from Estonia.

What many Brits can't get over is that this country is a second rate power, a small island off the coast of northern Europe whose imperial remnants finally faded sixty years ago.

BTW, many Brits are deeply racist. I grew up in the rural south west and that area has a lot of people moving in from London etc. These self-styled urban sophisticates were some of the biggest racists I'd ever heard. They often said that they hated London because it was full of blacks and the south west is 98% white. These same people also didn't care at all about the local white people's low wages and high unemployment. Bottom line: racists are self-serving, power control freaks.

Many companies would simply fail without their labour force of low paid eastern Europeans. The local Brits are simply too lazy, claiming their many many benefits to get off their fat druggy arses and actually work for a living.

It is sooo easy to blame others for our problems, when after all, we create so many of our own problems because we simply do not think about the consequences. But hey, picking on Johnny Foreigner is easy when they're are votes to be had or times get tough.



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Originally posted by 44soulslayer
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Well, I couldn't agree more with what you said there. We need sensible measures, not racially driven fantasies. Although I would add that race mustn't be wholly dismissed. I absolutely oppose racism but one can't deny that culture and race are instrinsically related. For example I'd find the concept of morris dancing Somalians as strange as belly dancing Welshmen (not in a tourist sense where such things are tried for fun, but as a celebration of one's own culture). I find it a little odd to hear TV presenters like Hardeep Singh Kohli refer to British history as "our heritage".

But yes, I'm happy to share the land of my forefathers with good, honest people from around the world. The key is that indigenous British culture must never be undermined, and that immigration concerns are as much related to over-population and economic issues as they are culture.