Sparks Fly As 'Gay" Activist Mob Swarms Christians

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Are you MAINTAL in disguise? lol.

They show that he has lied and contradicted himself on more than one occasion.

He says he hates the sin not the sinner,but various quotes show that he hates both.He said gays told him about their sex life,then he says its from watching tv and over-heard conversations.He said that 'whenever' he goes on the internet or open some spam email by mistake he gets images of gay porn.(whenever means:at any or every time that.) He then denied this.

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Sharia law has always been allowed. Please try to understand something before you get all upset about it. Sharia law does not replace British law - it can merely be used to settle disputes between parties consenting to be judged under it. That's it. It doesn't affect you, me, or anyone who doesn't want it to.

Tolerance is good.

Here's the thread regarding the incident of a group who broke into a church and their group photo wearing masks and carrying weaspons: www.abovetopsecret.com...'

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Actually I would think it falls under self-defense.

Let "god" deal with this when the time comes. hallelujah

A bit from my point of view. My mom is a very hard core christian. She moved into an apartment and holy mighty she had neighbors who were gay.

Personally, I never noticed a thing. I never noticed that they were gay, if I did I did not even spend a moment considering it, why? Because it is not an issue with me. (I spent a lot of time helping my mom as she is disabled and a senior citizen). Several times these young men asked if we needed any help and were very nice and polite, even took out mom's garbage for her to help us out while we were getting her moved in. My mom thought they were the nicest gentlemen, she was so pleased to have such polite neighbors.

So, after several weeks my mom said to me "I think those two boys living next door are gay". I raised my eyebrows and said "so, they seem nice enough and obviously have not caused any problems, whats your point?." "They're gay" she said looking all angry and righteous.

Over the next several months, whenever I would visit her, was about those "nasty homosexuals who are going to hell and how often they have sex".

She just could not get over it, ran it over and over in her mind and caused it to interfere with her life. She did this, not the young men living next door. They lived their life, and she interfered. Every time she had a chance she would say mean things about these young men to anyone who happened to be around, even children. Using the excuse that she had to let those children know that being gay was a sin. If she was lucky enough at least one of these men would be within hearing distance.

She would spend hours praying for them to be saved from their evil ways while glaring out her window towards their apt.

I asked, what have they done to you? Have they been rude? mean? cruel? walked around holding hands? had sex with each other while you were watching? Interfered with your life in any way? "Well NO" she said, "But I did hear their tv on and they were laughing a lot, they MUST have been having "sex."

??? I asked "how do you know they were having sex? Did you hear them having sex?" "NO, but I just know that is what they were doing."

"How do you know that?" I asked her. "BECAUSE" she said.

I rolled my eyes, thinking yeah, people in love do like to have sex sometimes.

So, another visit with my mom. "Those nasty homos are having sex again, they keep on having sex, can't you hear them they are shaking the whole building. Do something about it!" no hello or anything. (good god I thought, I have never known ANYONE to have as much sex as these guys were supposed to be having. I do admit to a moment of jealousy that they could have so much sex without having a heart attack and while working full time jobs and going to university, and I wondered when they slept.)

So, with a sigh I go next door so I can see this homo sex taking place. You wanna know what they were doing? I am going to tell you all about their homo sex. Ready?

They had one of those dance games for like the play station, and they had several people, men and women playing this game, dancing, laughing fully clothed and having this huge orgy of dance machine laughter. No drugs, no alcohol. Gasp!! They even asked me while laughing if I wanted to JOIN them and would I like a soda pop? HOW RUDE!! (sarcasm for those who don't get it)

So I go back and try to explain to my mom what was taking place, and she just would not believe me, as she had it in her head that if she heard something coming from their apartment it had to be homo sex, and if she heard nothing coming from their apartment....homo sex.

I tried to get her to come see what they were doing, and she really freaked out "I DON"T WANNA SEE HOMO SEX!" I yelled back "YOU WON'T SEE HOMO SEX, THEY ARE DANCING ON THE SAME TOY MY KIDS HAVE, ARE YOU TELLING ME MY KIDS ARE HAVING HOMO SEX WHEN THEY USE THIS DANCE MACHINE?" I then told her they offered me a soda pop, and asked her if that was homo sex also, to which she glared at me.

See, it had nothing to do with what these people were "actually" doing, it had to do with her over active religious imagination. How her imagination equated this gay couple being "in her face".

So, on and on this went for several months, she made so many complaints about these young men that they ended up moving, after having done NOTHING wrong.

My point with this rambling being, these young men were minding their own business, actually they were helpful, and when my christian mom found out they were gay, she caused enough of a stir they chose to move rather than continue to deal with her.

So, who was being "in your face" in this situation?

THIS is how homosexuality is turned into being an "in your face" situation. Religious zealots can't seem to stop thinking about it. I know my mom was stressed and I worried she was going to give herself a heart attack, but it sure had nothing to do with how these young men were acting, it had to do with her own imagination, it had to do with her reactions, thinking, and judgment.

IMO this has nothing to do with homosexuality interfering in the lives of religious persons or heterosexuals or how they choose to live their lives, but that religious persons just can't stop chewing on it. Like a starving dog with a bone.

My mom would never vote for same sex marriages, because she believes it is a sin, end of story. She does not care about equal rights and never will, because all she cares about in the end, is that in her opinion homosexuality is a sin. She uses the same excuses for not voting for same sex marriages as all the other religious fanatics, but when you get down to the nitty gritty, the true reason is her judgment that homosexuality is a sin.

My mom (if living in this area) would most likely have been one of those christians praying for the souls of the homosexuals in a place they should not have been doing so, and just not understanding how her actions could be wrong, because ALL she would be doing was trying to HELP those sinners, and how could helping someone be wrong?

My opinion, those christians were wrong, and would have reacted angrily if the gay community had been praying on their doorstep.

Get over it, move on, stop making it the focal point of your life, and it won't bother you any more, quit chewing it like a starving dog with a bone. If you find you can't stop "chewing on it" maybe you should be praying for yourself.

It's amazing that even such a small amount of testosterone can still evoke such mob mentality!

Originally posted by amazed
They had one of those dance games for like the play station,

Dance Dance revolution is a fun game ^_^.

Sorry your mother is having paranoia issues, but rather than yelling back, maybe being a comfort and reassuring would be more effective. That's a lesson to be learned by the original post and thread topic.

Originally posted by amazed
My opinion, those christians were wrong, and would have reacted angrily if the gay community had been praying on their doorstep.

The word in the post was "community", not "doorstep". I'm 'amazed' by your justification of violence.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by saint4God]

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Amazed!


Great post!


Yes, I can understand how frustrating it can be when everything you do to explain something to someone gets stopped at the "BUT ITS A SIN" filter.

I know you must have tried over and over to get the point through.


Thanks again for a great post. It really shows the problem and mental illnesses that can stem from an overactive religious imagination.

What do you expect? They just lost the right for them to marry which they ALREADY had and it was taken from them and then a group of Christians come to their neighborhood to flaunt it? If these Christians are so holy then why would they go out of their way to show up in a gay neighborhood to provoke people? That's very spiteful and opposite of the beliefs they claim to adhere to.

They just got kicked pretty hard and the Christian group showed up to rub it in their face. They went out to pour gasoline on a fire. This video is absurd and the Christians are downright foolish to and mean-spirited to pull off a stunt like that.

The gays were drunk and they were yelling counter protesting them but they didn't attack them. This is how protest rallies get.

Originally posted by merryxmas
The gays were drunk and they were yelling counter protesting them but they didn't attack them.

In case you missed it from the original post:

"...some even threatened to kill the worshippers.

One woman who was attacked..."

THEIR neighborhood? What does that mean? Last I recall, we're not allowed to draw lines as to what is a "gay neighborhood" or any other separatist distinctions. Certainly you wouldn't want to see a "Christian Only" neighborhood, would you?

[edit on 21-11-2008 by saint4God]

There was another time when homosexuals did the same thing...

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Just because Christians stand on TRUTH homosexuals act as if THEY were wronged!
Just because Christians do not accept the ACT of homosexuality homosexuals make up a so called state of mind called homophobia!

WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF HOMOSEXUALS! FAR FROM IT! WE SIMPLY KNOW THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND IT IS WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

There is nothing wrong with Christians sharing the truth that the act of homosexuality is WRONG!
There is nothing wrong with Christians pointing out that the act of homosexuality is WRONG!

If homosexuals honestly want "equality" then they must themselves accept that others do not agree with them.

I have a friend who is a homosexual and I never tell her she is WRONG. She knows where I stand, and she doesn't push her ways on me.
But, just because a Christian points out that the act of homosexuality is wrong does not warrant violence of any sort.

Anyone who thinks they are justified being violent just because another does not accept their ways is truly WRONG!
There is no excuse for violence! NONE AT ALL!

STOP TRYING TO MAKE US ACCEPT THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!!
WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT THAT SIN AS ACCEPTABLE!!!

Time for another Stonewall, folks. It's time for equality, whether you "fundamentally" agree or not. Laws cannot be based on the religious right's interpretation of morality.

Tax paying American citizens are entitled to every right that other tax paying American citizens receive.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Amazed!


Great post!


Yes, I can understand how frustrating it can be when everything you do to explain something to someone gets stopped at the "BUT ITS A SIN" filter.

I know you must have tried over and over to get the point through.


Thanks again for a great post. It really shows the problem and mental illnesses that can stem from an overactive religious imagination.

Thank you, and yes I tried for several months to be reassuring and compassionate. I tried to get her to see the situation as it truly was, she had neighbors, tah dah most people do, she was lucky because her neighbors were pretty nice people, did not cause problems, they did not do drugs or have huge parties, they kept their area clean, they were even college students trying to further their education (and we all know what kind of parties college students can have), and were basically the kind of neighbors most people want.

But, what do you do in the face of religious fanatics that refuse to see that it is their own actions, words, imagination and beliefs that are causing the harm?

The harm was caused by the actions of my mom.

And yes, guess what, I am human and had a great moment of irritation with her after several months of the same harassment of her neighbors. Intolerance, it got the better of me for a few minutes, I became intolerant of her intolerance and became sarcastic with her and yelled.

I would say that religion definitely brings out the fanaticism, hate, irrational beliefs, excuse making for their actions, and intolerance in many people.

I guess she has much better neighbors now, they drink, use drugs, scream and yell a lot, and have the cops at their place quite often for violence, but hay they are not gay and they ARE christians.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by amazed]

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Ok, lets try it this way. Did I miss something? I thought that you said religion was not to blame but jocks and bullies were. Am I wrong?

Ok main and tale. I can admit a mistake. There is another thread just like this one, with a poster just like you. You both share almost exactly the same thoughts and phrases. That person brought up the bullies and the jocks, not you. My sincerest appologies for being wrong one time. Then again, that is why I asked and did not accuse here. The rest all stands. I stand by every other thing I have said in response and if you really want to push it any farther off topic, you still have two statements that you claim I said that you have failed to produce ANY quotes for. The ball is in your court.

Or we could get back on topic.

Originally posted by SaintlyMic
There was another time when homosexuals did the same thing...

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Just because Christians stand on TRUTH homosexuals act as if THEY were wronged!
Just because Christians do not accept the ACT of homosexuality homosexuals make up a so called state of mind called homophobia!

WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF HOMOSEXUALS! FAR FROM IT! WE SIMPLY KNOW THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND IT IS WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

There is nothing wrong with Christians sharing the truth that the act of homosexuality is WRONG!
There is nothing wrong with Christians pointing out that the act of homosexuality is WRONG!

If homosexuals honestly want "equality" then they must themselves accept that others do not agree with them.

I have a friend who is a homosexual and I never tell her she is WRONG. She knows where I stand, and she doesn't push her ways on me.
But, just because a Christian points out that the act of homosexuality is wrong does not warrant violence of any sort.

Anyone who thinks they are justified being violent just because another does not accept their ways is truly WRONG!
There is no excuse for violence! NONE AT ALL!

STOP TRYING TO MAKE US ACCEPT THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!!
WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT THAT SIN AS ACCEPTABLE!!!

Wrong, christians do not stand on truth, they stand on belief.

Your belief as a religious person tells you that homosexuality is wrong.

My belief as a spiritual person tells me I have no right to make that judgment, that would be gods right not mine.

As a spiritual (not religious) person I will judge people on how they treat others within this world and use that to decide if I want that person to have a place within my life.

All you are being asked to "accept" is the right another person has to make choices for their own life. Just as you have the right to make choices for your life.

Now mah and pah ain't that just so darned tutin easy?

Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by Servigistics

 

Are you MAINTAL in disguise? lol.

They show that he has lied and contradicted himself on more than one occasion.

He says he hates the sin not the sinner,but various quotes show that he hates both.He said gays told him about their sex life,then he says its from watching tv and over-heard conversations.He said that 'whenever' he goes on the internet or open some spam email by mistake he gets images of gay porn.(whenever means:at any or every time that.) He then denied this.

Care to prove that Jakyl , I'd love to see you try. You sound like you are taking lessons on misrepresentation too. Or is it all gays are doing that crap now?

Show me a quote where I said I hated the sin and not the sinner. Show me quotes where I said I hated both. Serv seems to have followed it right Jakyl but my quotes are still there so you go ahead and try.
Tell me when I said when ever in my life, images of gay sex pics etc were something of a constant.

Originally posted by Tadarida
Time for another Stonewall, folks. It's time for equality, whether you "fundamentally" agree or not. Laws cannot be based on the religious right's interpretation of morality.

Tax paying American citizens are entitled to every right that other tax paying American citizens receive.

Yeah well that aint how it went down in the voting booth is it now

Originally posted by jakyll


Page 14.Post 3.Protect our rights but not theirs.

Kind of you to leave out the part where it put the post in context JakylThis MUST be the new gay thing huh? You know the part where I responded to someone making excuses for the gays bashing the Christians.

Why are all of you so dishonest Jakyl?

I see gay porn/images,don't i?

I don't know , do you?

.Was he told or did he overhear?

cute, you tell us

No where in the Bible does it say marriage is between a man and a woman.

Are YOU saying it doesn't?

Blame Oprah.

I blame gays

.Paranoia sets in.

Well seems like Gays can't control their anger either now doesn't it

Originally posted by MAINTAL


There you go again only now you are just putting words in my mouth

How many times do I have to say this are you DAFT!

USE COPY PASTED QUOTES FROM THE ACTUAL POST OR SHUT UP

It is such a pain in the ass correcting someone whos only intention seems to be about making things up saying I said it or exaggerating and embellishing everything thing I say

Is it POSSIBLE for you to be honest at all?

I kinda doubt it

Welcome back Mane and tail! Perhaps as long as you are posting you can get around to showing me where I said any of the things you claim that I said in the above post of yours.

You are all about true representation are you not?

SaintlyMic

There was another time when homosexuals did the same thing...

Sodom and Gomorrah.

An angry mob who tell someone to bring out your guests so they can 'know them' means that they are going to rape them,not take them out to dinner and hope for some consensual sex afterwards.And last time i checked,rape is not an exclusively homosexual act.Plus,nowhere in the Bible does it say the sin of S&G included homosexuality.

But, just because a Christian points out that the act of homosexuality is wrong does not warrant violence of any sort.

There are conflicting stories on these 'violent acts' read the link below for more details.But i do agree that no violence in such situations is justified.
www.ebar.com...

If homosexuals honestly want "equality" then they must themselves accept that others do not agree with them.

And if people are homosexual and non-Christian then Christians must accept that and not force their beliefs on others,or force their religion into a state only issue.






MAINTAL

Tell me when I said when ever in my life, images of gay sex pics etc were something of a constant.

I guess you never read what you type,or what others say.

Once more then.Page 14,post 4.

Secondly, whenever I go on the internet or open some spam email by mistake seeing some images of gay sex it DISGUSTS ME!

And,as i pointed out in a post at the top of page 24,whenever means:at any or every time that.Therefore,every time you go on line you see gay porn.I know its difficult,English is a tricky language.

Show me a quote where I said I hated the sin and not the sinner. Show me quotes where I said I hated both.

Somewhere in your very first post i believe.

I think we should make this a stand so strong they will get back in the closet where they crawled out of and stay there till they finally get it that WE DON'T TOLERATE THIS! Then not give a DAMN when they cry about our intolerance for anything else they want to whine and cry about.

Its all in the wording.You say 'they' should get back in the closet and stay there.The word 'they' implies the person the people,not their sexual activity.Telling people to get back in the closet is not a sign of love or acceptance for the person.

Kind of you to leave out the part where it put the post in context JakylThis MUST be the new gay thing huh? You know the part where I responded to someone making excuses for the gays bashing the Christians.

I believe i left that part in.My point? Violence against Christians is unacceptable(which it is)but gays are supposed to take it.


I said,

I see gay porn/images,don't i?

You said,

I don't know , do you?

Only if i go looking for it,but i don't do that so much,porn aint my thing.


I said,

Was he told or did he overhear?

You said,

cute, you tell us

Thanks for the compliment and i did tell you.


I said,

No where in the Bible does it say marriage is between a man and a woman.

You said,

Are YOU saying it doesn't?

No,it doesn't.