Theory: 9-11 was perfectly orchestrated to create a Truth Movement

Have you ever felt this way?

As a person that believes without a shodow of a doubt that 9-11 was an inside job, I can't help but wonder why it was carried out the way it was.

I read an article called the creepy sides of the 9-11 truth movement, and it opened my mind up to thousands of new possibilities:

There’s also been another possible motive for the 9-11 attacks that I’ve speculated about since the beginning. Have you ever wondered why the 9-11 official story was so implausible and so sloppily put together? (you know, the simultaneous hijacking of four different planes by people armed with mere boxcutters, the suicide notes found in luggage that inadvertently didn’t make it on the planes, Arabic flight manuals left in cars in the airport, and a million other things they did which seem like obvious plants, or things they didn’t do or create which would have squelched many of the 9-11 skeptics early on.) It’s as if they want us to see through the whole thing. Could the perpetrators, in fact, want a 911 Truth Movement to flourish? And if so, why?

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I will suggest just one plausible explination as to why this could in fact be the truth. Maybe the real agenda behind 9-11 was to filter out who these so called "sheeple" are, and who will fight against TPTB (the powars that be). Most of us that have listened to Alex Jones know there is something very 'fishy' with him to the point that he is a suspect. Was he purposely trying to get his word out so TPTB can track and trace who's listening, and who's not.

We must understand that TPTB are several moves ahead of us. Ultimatley this is like a game of chess, and we are playing against Bobby Fisher. So with that said, Do you think if TPTB did orchestrate 9-11, did they not fully expect the truth movement to sping up a few years later? Or maybe the better question is, Are the people that "woke us up" to the truth, apart of TPTB?

This has probably been discussed several times here before, but I guess I'm left here wondering what hell do I do from here if the TPTB want the truth to circulate amonst the masses?

(Oh yea, It's obvious to me that Zietgiest I & II are NWO propaganda.)

Howdy,

Couple things:

Gotta agree 100% on ZG1&2, total crock of excrement. Total NWO operation for the ignorant masses.

Can you elaborate on the fishy-ness of Alex Jones? I hear this all the time but nobody can ever say that it is more than a gut feeling, which I will be honest, is usually worth a heckuva lot more than most people realize.

As to your question, I think this all the time. I think there may have been the sinister plan of creation of desperation as well as the knowledge that we are helpless against the hidden hand. By tagging those who are the likely "resistance" it makes an eventual takeover easier, as you have likely heard about the red and blue lists and FEMA camps?

I think the only thing that we can do is actively work to change your local environment. In some way, you need to take one prong of the NWO Globalist attack and expose it. GMO foods for example. Notifying people what is in their foods that they're buying and what the effects are, notifying them about the beast that is Monsanto and what they are doing worldwide to promote poverty, starvation, disease, and corporate greed. Then hit them with a solution. Community gardening on empty lots. Heirloom Seeds. Organic. Free food. More disposable income. Community Planting Parties.

Getting people started is the first effect. Once you get them thinking about one thing, they will start to look elsewhere, and you can show them other info. The solution is not going to be getting people to listen to AJ or any other central figure as it can all be tracked, but by building bonds in neighborhoods. By acting in a kind and caring way, and providing solutions on a local level, you will be able to make change, and it won't be centralized where the head can be chopped off and the body withers, because the whole community is now educated and becomes the educators. There is an exponential effect, and the best thing to do in these times is encourage the local community to come together, because those that don't won't survive a depression like we may be facing.



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...interesting thought


Under normal circumstances, I would probably tell you to lay off the crack. However, I don't know if my Dr. Pepper is spiked or what, but it actually made sense to me and seemed plausible.

PLAUSIBLE...not likely.

The whole 9-11 thing is quickly becoming a Kennedy Assassination thing - by that I mean there are so many leads, so much evidence, so many plausible theories (any one of which being true would not be surprising) that it's becoming harder and harder to separate fact from fiction - which is quite possibly what the perpetrators of 9-11 want in the first place.

As for Alex Jones - I don't see him as being any different than most conspiracy theorists. The only difference is that, for whatever reason, he's been more successful at profiting from conspiracy theories than most have. I have no doubt that he exaggerates and misleads people for his own personal profit. On the other hand, without him far far less people would have taken a second look at the official story of 9-11.

Your post was bang on.

The "truth movement" is being run by the perps themselves. '

You can see some of their employees hard at work here at ats there very minute.

The tactic is to lead the oppposition than discredit that infiltrated organizations with stupid theories and decade long arguments over redundant evidence.

Oh yea, It's obvious to me that Zietgiest I & II are NWO propaganda.

so nwo is about having a society free from money - therefore banksters-, pollution, army, police and in which individuals can become who they are (and not who the society tells them to be, an insect more or less in our times) ? if yes, i sign for it man.

or i miss out something or you miss out something from zeitgeist philosophy (let's forget part1 adventurous claims on krishna buddha, mythree, horus) ?

or maybe you are saying they did zeitgeist to make a database of potential futur "terrorists" ?

Originally posted by mkiii


Gotta agree 100% on ZG1&2, total crock of excrement. Total NWO operation for the ignorant masses.

It really is...

I've decided to bump this thread in hopes of more replies.

Gotta agree 100% on ZG1&2, total crock of excrement. Total NWO operation for the ignorant masses

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Could you explain to me why Zeitgeist 1 and 2 are NWO propaghanda? I've heard this many times and I'd like to know why people have this view. After learning about the 9-11 inside job, zeitgeist was one of the first movies I watched that outlined the whole NWO thing, and for me it was rather eye-opening (unless I've been completely mislead).
I understand that it is a common practice for TPTB (to use the original poster's expression) to infiltrate and lead groups that oppose their policies, but it seems hard for me to fathom the benefit that could be derived from producing a movie like Zeitgeist.
Forgive me for being one of the ignorant masses, if that is what I am, but I'd be very interested in hearing you explain this.

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There are a number of reasons that I would love to explain.

I'll give you a decent outline... later tonight

Kinda busy right now.

Originally posted by IvanZana
Your post was bang on.

The "truth movement" is being run by the perps themselves. '

You can see some of their employees hard at work here at ats there very minute.

The tactic is to lead the oppposition than discredit that infiltrated organizations with stupid theories and decade long arguments over redundant evidence.

You buddy are spot on also,

I joined recently but been lurking the waters for awhile, something that I see from people that claim to belong or do belong to the "truth movement" is that they seem to think that they are right or have the right to tell you what is right, reminds me almost of religion, they have some facts and they used that to debunk other theories which could be plausible.

theories are theories once proven to be true than they are facts, facts can be used to debunk theories yes I believe that but what happens when those facts are still questionable?

so anyhoo, yeah the possibility of a truth movement being made or was made to infiltrate the 'resistance' (as somebody said) could be true, make you think the are pointing you in the right direction while they aren't while at the same time keeping the theory just a theory since we go around the same facts.

EDIT: man I had to edit since i used some characters that did not let the rest show up, well i guess it is kept short now.

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Originally posted by ::.mika.::

Oh yea, It's obvious to me that Zietgiest I & II are NWO propaganda.

so nwo is about having a society free from money - therefore banksters-, pollution, army, police and in which individuals can become who they are (and not who the society tells them to be, an insect more or less in our times) ? if yes, i sign for it man.

or i miss out something or you miss out something from zeitgeist philosophy (let's forget part1 adventurous claims on krishna buddha, mythree, horus) ?

or maybe you are saying they did zeitgeist to make a database of potential futur "terrorists" ?

Well, that theory of society would work...If said society did not have guns. Since America is armed to the teeth, ridding the American world of Army (Arms) is impossible without starting a bloody civil war. And that's just America.

That whole concept is some brutish form of socialism. It simply cannot happen. I wish it could, but it's not to be. Besides, guns are awesome.

Just my opinion. Debunk if necessary.

there is higher philosophy behind these things;

it is called utopia. and it is the only realistic ultimate political objective for any free being.

some consciousness of life/mind/soul is required to get to the point. not a debunk or an intellectual debate axed purely on specific conditions.

don't forget it is TPTB that are making the conditions : manufacturing, advertising and selling the guns, oppressing our minds with constant and heavy lies through the media they own.

change the TPTB, change the media, you change the society.

people are sheeple (until they set themselves free from conditions).

discarding zeitgeist is just showing a lack of understanding of those spiritual concepts/values/ideas (or let say paradigm) on life, the mind and the universe.

it's just a ride

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Have you ever felt this way?

As a person that believes without a shodow of a doubt that 9-11 was an inside job, I can't help but wonder why it was carried out the way it was.

9/11 was carried out so sloppily because the attacks were carried out by a small group inside the US government. The group was too small to have the talent to carry off the attacks in a convincing fashion.

I firmly believe that many people and agencies inside the US government now know (post event) that the US government was the main sponsor of the attacks. It's just another situation like when the FBI stumbles into CIA drug smuggling operations and the State Department tells the FBI to back off. (Google "Sibel Edmonds" for some eye opening info).

I can also believe that elements of the US gov and the pentagon are fighting-the-'net with a well funded campaign to spread disinformation. It goes without saying that the likely objectives of these criminals would be to attack or infiltrate the truthers and to cause as much havoc as possible. The typical John/Jane Doe will simply shut down due to information overload.

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
or maybe you are saying they did zeitgeist to make a database of potential futur "terrorists" ?

And this website isn't? Alex jones would have been knocked of years ago if he was a threat to those in power. Think about it logically.

I dont see the benefit for them. If this were ever a national belief, people would revolt and be outraged. All the heat would come back at the government. The whole idea of 9-11 is ridiculous and there are too many coincidences to believe its true. Its makes more sense that it happened so Bush could grab Saddam than it does that a few middle eastern terrorists hijacked a buncha planes with box cutters...

It's only a matter of time before the ball of string unravels itself. I agree with you 200% that it was an inside job but disagree that they'd do it hoping to get caught essentially...Especially since everything that our government does is in secrecy.

Originally posted by AceOfAces

It's only a matter of time before the ball of string unravels itself. I agree with you 200% that it was an inside job but disagree that they'd do it hoping to get caught essentially...Especially since everything that our government does is in secrecy.

You know a lot of people suspect that British Intelligence, and Israeli intelligence played a role in this as well.

7/7 bombings?... Are you aware of this conspiracy?


The fact of the matter is the USA would be at the only country at fault if it was exposed... not Israel or Great Britain.

Originally posted by outsider13

Gotta agree 100% on ZG1&2, total crock of excrement. Total NWO operation for the ignorant masses

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Could you explain to me why Zeitgeist 1 and 2 are NWO propaghanda? I've heard this many times and I'd like to know why people have this view. After learning about the 9-11 inside job, zeitgeist was one of the first movies I watched that outlined the whole NWO thing, and for me it was rather eye-opening (unless I've been completely mislead).
I understand that it is a common practice for TPTB (to use the original poster's expression) to infiltrate and lead groups that oppose their policies, but it seems hard for me to fathom the benefit that could be derived from producing a movie like Zeitgeist.
Forgive me for being one of the ignorant masses, if that is what I am, but I'd be very interested in hearing you explain this.

The movie convincingly debunks Christianity, but then suggests one-world religion in its place.

Features of one-world religion:

• "God is just a despotic, capricious man in the sky"
  
• "Smart people are rational, and don't believe in God"
  
• "All war is bad"
  
• "All government is bad"
  
• "Animals are better than humans"
  
• "All Black people should try to act 'African'" (whatever the hell that means)
  
• Emphasis on nature and ecological concerns (planet Earth is "the goddess")
  
• Everybody must strive towards trite, mediocre efforts. Any excess that is generated must go back to the machine
  
• Personal convictions are "politically incorrect" unless they are pre-approved
  
• Men are treated like second-class citizens. Women, especially fat women, are symbols of the goddess. Women's power comes primarily from their body
  
• People should be as liberated as possible about things like drugs and sex, as they are "natural" (a rather easy way to induce trauma-based mind control)
  
• "Truth" is something that is given to you from the community
  
• The community becomes more important than individual or family concerns
  
• Self-defense is meaningless, unless it is exacted by the community as a whole
  
• They deceive you by offering free lunches, and then forcing you into servitude
  
• They deceive you about law, such as urging that people "vote" without educating them about what the heck voting really means
  
• They insist that "democracy" is one of the most important of all virtues
  
• They rally people around negativity rather than hope for any concrete accomplishments
  
• Names are more important than specific ideas
  
• Your greatest accomplishment will be to "do your part" to support the machine
  
• Rather than sanctioning people who commit unjust acts, they sanction anyone who gets out of line
  
• They deprive you of your privacy, saying that only dishonest people need to operate in private
  

And, actually, the words "movement" and "on the move" come directly from Zionism. We at ATS all know what Zionism really stands for.

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
there is higher philosophy behind these things;

it is called utopia. and it is the only realistic ultimate political objective for any free being.

some consciousness of life/mind/soul is required to get to the point. not a debunk or an intellectual debate axed purely on specific conditions.

don't forget it is TPTB that are making the conditions : manufacturing, advertising and selling the guns, oppressing our minds with constant and heavy lies through the media they own.

change the TPTB, change the media, you change the society.

people are sheeple (until they set themselves free from conditions).

discarding zeitgeist is just showing a lack of understanding of those spiritual concepts/values/ideas (or let say paradigm) on life, the mind and the universe.

it's just a ride

The word "utopia" appears several times in The Communist Manifesto, well at least the English version.

Guns are good

Originally posted by andrew123

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
or maybe you are saying they did zeitgeist to make a database of potential futur "terrorists" ?

And this website isn't? Alex jones would have been knocked of years ago if he was a threat to those in power. Think about it logically.

Alex Jones is a Russian Jewish Zionist

I'm convinced that David Icke is a Swedish Jew as well

A "truth movement" was half the plan. A plan that continues to this day.

Separate and control.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Features of one-world religion:

• "God is just a despotic, capricious man in the sky"
  
• "Smart people are rational, and don't believe in God"
  
• "All war is bad"
  
• "All government is bad"
  
• "Animals are better than humans"
  
• "All Black people should try to act 'African'" (whatever the hell that means)
  
• Emphasis on nature and ecological concerns (planet Earth is "the goddess")
  
• Everybody must strive towards trite, mediocre efforts. Any excess that is generated must go back to the machine
  
• Personal convictions are "politically incorrect" unless they are pre-approved
  
• Men are treated like second-class citizens. Women, especially fat women, are symbols of the goddess. Women's power comes primarily from their body
  
• People should be as liberated as possible about things like drugs and sex, as they are "natural" (a rather easy way to induce trauma-based mind control)
  
• "Truth" is something that is given to you from the community
  
• The community becomes more important than individual or family concerns
  
• Self-defense is meaningless, unless it is exacted by the community as a whole
  
• They deceive you by offering free lunches, and then forcing you into servitude
  
• They deceive you about law, such as urging that people "vote" without educating them about what the heck voting really means
  
• They insist that "democracy" is one of the most important of all virtues
  
• They rally people around negativity rather than hope for any concrete accomplishments
  
• Names are more important than specific ideas
  
• Your greatest accomplishment will be to "do your part" to support the machine
  
• Rather than sanctioning people who commit unjust acts, they sanction anyone who gets out of line
  
• They deprive you of your privacy, saying that only dishonest people need to operate in private
  

And, actually, the words "movement" and "on the move" come directly from Zionism. We at ATS all know what Zionism really stands for.

where do you see any correlation between that list and the philosophy underlying in zeitgeist

please put some quote and make the links between that points and zeitgeist
(good luck)