Their message is lost in their mayhem
Self-fulfilling prophesies (Xtian & I slam), page 1
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Topic started on 31-3-2004 @ 10:58 PM by Aeon10101110
At least two of the world's great religions presently outdo each other in promotion of apocalypse. Of course the faiths concerned here are those of
Jesus and Mohammed. Apparently, adherents to both ignore the admonitions of their respective prophets for discretion and self-control. While
eschatological Christians are mindless of Jesus' overwhelming message of love, forgiveness and healing, apocalytic Moslems forego the 'internal
jihad' espoused by Mohammed. Clearly, tumult is brewing, fueled by both American fundamentalists' lust for war and Islamic scourge of Westernized
civilization.
Consider the essay of Dr. Gerry Lower, "Outside of Bush World - Apocalypse Guaranteed" in OpEd News Excepted passages below detail the frightening nature of the situation:
"It would appear then that about half the American electorate (mostly religious conservative Republicans) are going to remain loyal to the Bush administration's demands for loyalty, despite its celebration of self-rightousness and belligerence on the world stage. They will remain loyal to the Bush administration despite its lies and coercions in taking the American people into an unprovoked war in Iraq, a war that has proven to have very little if anything to do with the 'war on terrorism.'"
"While religious Bush loyalists in America see themselves as defending the values of Democracy and Christianity, those outside of Bush World see Bush loyalists as defending the values of Old Testament Roman religion and crony corporate capitalism. Bush loyalists are accurately seen (given their willingness to abide White House lies and fabrications) as being religiously blind and incorrible, above reason and honest human truth. They are seen as blindly setting the stage for armegeddon and the fulfillment of religious prophecy."
There is little doubt that Mr. Bush consults "The Holy Bible" but one wonders which parts. Apparently, Jesus' message is not well taken while St. John the Divine is being wildly interpreted. Recently, the leader of the free world met with Jack van Impe, a well-known eschatologist who has long warned of impending doom. Because of the resources available to the President, who is better to ensure that the apocalypse goes off without hitch? But it simply amounts to self-fulfilling prophesy; witness the fact that our incursion into Iraq merely enmires us in vengeful bloodletting. Instead of being the grand army crossing the Tigris and Euphrates and ushering in an angry Jesus as is foretold, our soldiers and civilians serve as mere targets. Then again, we are sure that Islam is an apocalyptic religion too. Perhaps they want to ensure their version of the end time is facilitated.
Joseph Farah points out the "Warnings from Islam's 'messianic whirlpool'," subtitling that "Jihadists in global frenzy over coming of prophesied 'Mahdi'" in World Net Daily
In the jihadists' prophesy, the article enumerates other battlegrounds than those in Revelations:
"Two European countries will be attacked.
Another attack is planned against the U.S.
Followers are asked to get rid of euros and as true Muslims replace them with gold.
There will be an assassination attempt against a high-ranking Egyptian official.
A mass gathering of jihad warriors is expected in the cities of the twin holy mosques Mecca and Medina.
A divine signal will be given when three celestial stars will be aligned on one axis.
The appearance of a new star, never seen before, will be in plain sight to all humanity.
Pakistani President Pervez Musharaf and Yasser Arafat will be annihilated in the same month."
And according to Islam, both Mahdi and Jesus will preside over the mayhem. So we have an apocalyptical potporri, each side predicting victory over the other and claiming rights to Jesus. Frankly, I doubt that is what he meant when he said to turn the other cheek.
Consider the essay of Dr. Gerry Lower, "Outside of Bush World - Apocalypse Guaranteed" in OpEd News Excepted passages below detail the frightening nature of the situation:
"It would appear then that about half the American electorate (mostly religious conservative Republicans) are going to remain loyal to the Bush administration's demands for loyalty, despite its celebration of self-rightousness and belligerence on the world stage. They will remain loyal to the Bush administration despite its lies and coercions in taking the American people into an unprovoked war in Iraq, a war that has proven to have very little if anything to do with the 'war on terrorism.'"
"While religious Bush loyalists in America see themselves as defending the values of Democracy and Christianity, those outside of Bush World see Bush loyalists as defending the values of Old Testament Roman religion and crony corporate capitalism. Bush loyalists are accurately seen (given their willingness to abide White House lies and fabrications) as being religiously blind and incorrible, above reason and honest human truth. They are seen as blindly setting the stage for armegeddon and the fulfillment of religious prophecy."
There is little doubt that Mr. Bush consults "The Holy Bible" but one wonders which parts. Apparently, Jesus' message is not well taken while St. John the Divine is being wildly interpreted. Recently, the leader of the free world met with Jack van Impe, a well-known eschatologist who has long warned of impending doom. Because of the resources available to the President, who is better to ensure that the apocalypse goes off without hitch? But it simply amounts to self-fulfilling prophesy; witness the fact that our incursion into Iraq merely enmires us in vengeful bloodletting. Instead of being the grand army crossing the Tigris and Euphrates and ushering in an angry Jesus as is foretold, our soldiers and civilians serve as mere targets. Then again, we are sure that Islam is an apocalyptic religion too. Perhaps they want to ensure their version of the end time is facilitated.
Joseph Farah points out the "Warnings from Islam's 'messianic whirlpool'," subtitling that "Jihadists in global frenzy over coming of prophesied 'Mahdi'" in World Net Daily
In the jihadists' prophesy, the article enumerates other battlegrounds than those in Revelations:
"Two European countries will be attacked.
Another attack is planned against the U.S.
Followers are asked to get rid of euros and as true Muslims replace them with gold.
There will be an assassination attempt against a high-ranking Egyptian official.
A mass gathering of jihad warriors is expected in the cities of the twin holy mosques Mecca and Medina.
A divine signal will be given when three celestial stars will be aligned on one axis.
The appearance of a new star, never seen before, will be in plain sight to all humanity.
Pakistani President Pervez Musharaf and Yasser Arafat will be annihilated in the same month."
And according to Islam, both Mahdi and Jesus will preside over the mayhem. So we have an apocalyptical potporri, each side predicting victory over the other and claiming rights to Jesus. Frankly, I doubt that is what he meant when he said to turn the other cheek.
reply posted on 26-4-2004 @ 10:07 PM by Aeon10101110
Originally posted by Bleys
...With that said I do agree with you that religon does nothing for the betterment of man and the world would be a much better place without it.
Well said! And the second US president, John Adams, also agreed, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"
From: "The Character of John Adams," by Peter Shaw, pp. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, NC) Quoting a letter by JA to Charles Cushing Oct 19, 1756, and "John Adams, A Biography in his Own Words," edited by James Peabody, p. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York NY) Quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817, quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June, 1814, www.dimensional.com...
), not some guy's
interpretation of the Bible. Humans are failable, God's Word is not. 
Have a nice day!
Just discovered that neat little abiltiy 2 days ago! reply posted on 26-4-2004 @ 10:41 PM by Aeon10101110
Originally posted by junglejake
I'd be curious to see how many people who fought in the crusades, how many people took part in the inqusition, how many people took part in the Salem witch trials, actually had read the Bible. Those actions are so far outside of what Jesus says, I don't see how they could have.
I could not agree more. Overwhelmingly, His message was one of love, forgiveness and healing. Presently however, the focus appears to be on a vague eschatology that flies in the face of Jesus, once again. By way of a corollary, another thread in the Mud Pit questions the viability of Bush as president, in part based on his apparently apocalyptic outlook. Please see the discussion here.
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