Why has there been an increase in racism since the election on ATS?

Already did if you look above.

Sorry I didnt provide a link my apologies but here is one here, www.answers.com...

If you are going to dig, dig, dig and dig on definitions that lead all the way in a circle you will see my point here.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by XXXN3O
Already did if you look above.

Sorry I didnt provide a link my apologies but here is one here, www.answers.com...

If you are going to dig, dig, dig and dig on definitions that lead all the way in a circle you will see my point here.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by XXXN3O]

No, that's not a link to a definition of race as 'going against belief'.

This is what it actually says:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

How does either of those definitions mean 'going against belief'?

reply to post by Merriman Weir


If you are going to be literal read this link which explains it more.

racism.suite101.com...

All of the different definitions lead towards racism.

You are not seeing my point as far as your replies suggest.

Whether I am right or wrong is on basis of opinion here and is not what matters here because racism is used in the way I have described previously in my replies to the OP.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

If you are going to be literal read this link which explains it more.

racism.suite101.com...

All of the different definitions lead towards racism.

You are not seeing my point.

No, I'm not, that's why I'm asking you to post the definition you stated like I asked earlier.

Regarding the links you're providing, all I'm seeing is definitions that refer specifically to discrimination against race, not discrimination against belief.

Pardon me for being "literal". I thought that was actually the point of defining something?

[edit on 13-11-2008 by Merriman Weir]

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I am not continuing with this and I will agree to disagree with you as I have no quarrel with you.

If you do not want to see it then by all means do not as you are entitled to your viewpoint.

This argument will go on forever and has done so but it is becoming more complicated and is used as a tool which I do not agree with.

The definitions are all different from each other but the main point I am making is that each one is based on a belief therefore by disagreeing with another persons belief be it religion, policy etc you could be labelled racist.

Either way I do not think any of the points made in this thread are invalid.



[edit on 13-11-2008 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I just am wondering what's with the increase of racism and racists on ATS.

Just because people can see through Obama for what he is - a tool of the Bildebergers who offers no hope, change, or unity - doesn't make a person a racist. That's common mislabeling that the obamamites love to post. It's false.

For the past 8 years this site has had tons of threads against George Bush. He's the Antichrist - he's evil - he's a moron - he's a liar - he's a murderer - he's a drunk - he's a drug addict - his policies suck ... etc etc etc.

Does that mean that everyone who posted those are anti-white?

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Barack Obama is the antichrist

There were Bush is the antichrist threads as well.

Barack is charismatic, he deceives people, he is like Hitler

There were Bush is like hitler threads as well.

Barack is a hypnotist

There were Bush/NWO uses subliminals threads as well.

Barack brainwashed people into voting for him

There were threads about how people believed Bush lies and voted for him as well

Acorn voting fraud

That's the truth. There IS ACORN voter fraud. Reporting on that isn't racist. It's just the truth.

He faked his birth certificate and he really is a Kenyan/Pharaoh

If Obama would produce his real Birth Certificate then all this would go away. But he doesn't. Why not? Being a conspiracy site, we discuss this. People have a right to question politicians and not to blindly accept what they say at face value. History has taught us that they are liars.

Obama is a socialist Obama is just a marxist

Obama HIMSELF said that he sought out socialist/marxist professors in college AND his policies are definately socialism. It's not racist to state the truth.

Obama just brings more of the same, just more of Clintons aids into the whitehouse.

His Chief of Staff is a Clintonista. So how is it racist to state the truth? It's not. Obama has more baggage then Boston airport. To state that is the truth - NOT racism.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
I think you're racist for seeing things that aren't there and labeling them as racist.

Obsessed with race. THAT is what has been increased. Formerly smart people took stupid pills and now if anyone dares to expose how 'The One' really isn't different from other politicans, then, according to them, those people must be racist. It's pretty damn stupid.

FlyersFan, I totally agree with everything you wrote.

I am so sick of hearing that just because I dont like Obama that I am a racist. I guess it never occurred that maybe I just dont support many of his beliefs and policy ideas? Did it ever occur that I dont want my hard earned money taken to "spread the wealth around"? Did it ever occur that maybe I support my 2nd Amendment rights (and all the others too)? Did it ever occur that maybe I just dont like Marxist demagogues?


Forgive me for not drinking the kool aid and marching around blindly following my sacred leader Barack Obama while chanting Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Obama.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I just am wondering what's with the increase of racism and racists on ATS. It's one thing to criticize the President but it's another to make unfound accusations based on people liking him just because of his race. I wish ATS would do something about these racists.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by Frankidealist35]

you mainly have to blame the media. the percentage of negative stereotypes of blacks, has far outweighed the small percentage of positive presentations of them. hell, i'm a white male and i even notice it. for all the gangbangers and rappers shown, there are alot more blacks that are thoughtful, reasonable, people just trying to raise their families and live a decent life.

Hmmm. Seems like a lot of Frank's examples of racism against Obama have a lot in common to the sexism posts against Hillary and Sarah. And yet we're only worried about Barry's feelings? What about the false accusations Sarah's son was actually her grandson secretly born by her daughter? That was a really hot topic here fanned on by the same people claiming racism against Barry. Seems to a bit of hypocrisy here, doesn't it? Is it OK to discriminate against women in politics, but not against your candidate? Or are these claims of racism Frank brought up just typical talk of conspiracy theories ATS is known for, and those not wanting the topic raised are trying to play the race card so the topics get silenced?

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
reply to post by Frankidealist35

 

why don't you give us some examples of this increase in racism. Just because someone doesn't like Obama doesn't mean they are racist. it could just be they don't like him because of his ideas or policies he wants to impose.

I know i don't like him and have contributed in threads about him and said why i don't like him.

So since i don't know what your basing racism on Do you consider me racist because i'm white and i don't like the man?

[edit on 11/13/2008 by Mercenary2007]

Nobody said everyone who doesn't like Obama are racists, read the dam first post and stop rushing to respond with your misunderstanding. Nobody has to waste time copying/pasting examples, you know there are racists and we know there are racists. Please cut the crap. There are some hate against Obama for being black, and then some for disagreement of his ideas and policies, nobody said all was one of the two.

rush limbaugh is already blaming the economic disaster on the policies of obama...right on his radio show. and everyone wonders why people don't like obama. i remember when rush started out in radio in sacramento, i would come upon his show from time to time, and i noticed that he was a real airhead even back in those days, his ratings were falling until he started bashing liberals, and his stupid over-the-top proclamations started gathering listeners. from then on that's all he had to due to get to where he is today. as with most neo-con talking heads, he just got away with pulling talking points right out of his *ss. this delighted the conservatives so much that he kept getting bigger audiences. and if you notice he won't take callers now like he did when he first started out, because it's too easy to rebuke what he says. this type of jargon became so ingrained with the neo-cons, because the major media were too polite to call them out on what they actually said. well for the 2008 campaign that stopped, and the main stream media called them out on what they would say and have them back it up. by that time, the neo-cons were so ingrained with that type of rhetoric, that they got caught flat-footed with no logical explanation pertaining to what they just said, that they fumbled around and just sounded stupid. and that takes me full circle back to rush limbaugh and his comment about obama. that's why you never see him take interviews with anybody questioning what he says.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


How come 62% of you threads are in the form of a question, then if you add the ones starting with "I don't understand" it jumps up to 65%?

This thread is a great example...you ask a question with no basis in truth. In my opinion it would be better to do a little research then make a statement with some backbone to it.

It might be your style, but it does get a little annoying. Especially since you seem to have formed your own opinions on things. State your ideas, state your assumptions, but stop trying to back into conversation by pretending you don't understand the situation, when you already have a formed opinion on it.


As far as the thread goes...there has definately been an increase of racism on ATS! I have been saying this for a long time....Any disagreement with Obama is racism...plain and simple!

Us humans will always find a way to hate one another.If we were all of the same race we will find something.Right hand people against the left handed.Short against the tall.Fat against the skinny.Remember the Star Trek episode were the guys that where half black and white destroyed each other?The reason for their hate was one race was black on the right and the other was black on the left.Remember how stupid that reasoning was? Saxons versus the Normans.African tribes killing each other over land.Native Americans same thing.North Korea versus South Korea.
Turn of the century the hate against the imigrants.Imigrants hating the other imigrants. Why?......Fear plain an simple.As long we think that the "other" guy is going to take whats "ours" we will always have it.Will it change...perhaps I would like it to but as long as we are afraid of each other perhaps it wont.

Originally posted by jimmyx
rush limbaugh is already blaming the economic disaster on the policies of obama...right on his radio show. and everyone wonders why people don't like obama. i remember when rush started out in radio in sacramento, i would come upon his show from time to time, and i noticed that he was a real airhead even back in those days, his ratings were falling until he started bashing liberals, and his stupid over-the-top proclamations started gathering listeners. from then on that's all he had to due to get to where he is today. as with most neo-con talking heads, he just got away with pulling talking points right out of his *ss. this delighted the conservatives so much that he kept getting bigger audiences. and if you notice he won't take callers now like he did when he first started out, because it's too easy to rebuke what he says. this type of jargon became so ingrained with the neo-cons, because the major media were too polite to call them out on what they actually said. well for the 2008 campaign that stopped, and the main stream media called them out on what they would say and have them back it up. by that time, the neo-cons were so ingrained with that type of rhetoric, that they got caught flat-footed with no logical explanation pertaining to what they just said, that they fumbled around and just sounded stupid. and that takes me full circle back to rush limbaugh and his comment about obama. that's why you never see him take interviews with anybody questioning what he says.

Yeah yeah you don't like some talk radio guy we get that so what is your point and how is that relevant? Oh and by the way not everyone wonders why so many dislike Obama, I think I know why most dislike him and I only wish more did before than the more that will later.



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reply to post by Frankidealist35


I haven't seen much racism above the normal quota on here recently but what I have seen is an escalation of people playing the racism card a lot! It almost seems like the universal rebuttal to any Obama criticism.

The instances you gave of thread titles does not equate to racism more than it does goofy conspiratorial titles. Because Obama is of color doesn't mean people are being biggots when they show disapproval, distrust or cynicism. It happens to most politicians.

IRM

Originally posted by jimmyx
rush limbaugh is already blaming the economic disaster on the policies of obama...right on his radio show..

Your post is OFF TOPIC.

Rush Limbaugh would blame Hillary for the economic situation if she were the Dem nominee for POTUS. He'd blame John Kerry if he were the nominee. Or Ted Kennedy. So what?

BTW - Barry O pushed and helped groups like ACORN who are, with Barney Frank, directly responsible for this mess. They are the ones who pushed for improper lending practices - pushed for loans to people who they just knew couldn't afford them. That's not racist or homophobic. That's just a FACT.

Rush blaming Obama for his part in this economic mess isn't racist and even if it were it would have nothing to do with the threads people post here being 'racist'.

IMO there has always been an undercurrent of racism in a lot of threads, due simply to the nature of the boards.

Whilst I don't think it has become more prevalent I believe it has come to the forefront a little more.

The thing is, that while some people see what they are saying as simply "telling it like it is" others see it as overt racism, and it's also part and parcel of what has been a pretty dirty campaign.

Don't forget we also have the Islam haters, people confusing zionist conspiracies with jewish people, and homophobia - BUT people are allowed to express these thoughts as long as they stay within the T&C.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


No. . . I was here when the elections in 2004 and is not different now that it was then.

Actually ATS has come a long way to stop the mess we have back in 2004.

Right now all I see is threads like this one trying to gain on some points and some stars with the topic.

[edit on 13-11-2008 by marg6043]

are you actually trying to suggest that the majority of NEW black voters did not vote for Obama because of his race? Are you so sheltered that you could actually believe that? Racism goes both ways, always, obviously some white people got out and voted for McCain because he WAS NOT black to be sure, but the increase in new black voters was astounding. Without the black people voting for him because he is black, he would not have won.
p.s. i support obama, so don't even try it. i'm just being realistic, you seem very narrow in your understanding of how the country actually works as to how it SHOULD work.

reply to post by InfaRedMan

I haven't seen much racism above the normal quota on here recently but what I have seen is an escalation of people playing the racism card a lot! It almost seems like the universal rebuttal to any Obama criticism.

yes, thank you for saying that. very true. I am almost afriad to tell people that i like obaama because i see SO MANY (seems like a majority to be honest) Obama supporters who simply can't handle any criticism of him at all, when it is received they just kinda freak out, say things they can't back up, and usually their lack of understanding is evident in the reply because they haven't read all the info there before even commenting. Get a grip folks! He is the first black president of America, he IS going to have a hard time, that is a given. But when you take the bait so easily you make it very hard for the issue to go away, kinda like throwing grease on a fire.