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Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by atlasastro
I remember going to work and standing around the coffee pot talking about how cold it was going to be in ten years. I remember watching documentaries on TV showing how we would have to adapt in order to survive. I remember news stories talking about how every abnormality of weather was attributed to, and therefore 'proof' of, the coming ice age.
Yeah, because as we know science just "creates" stuff all the time, like evidence that DNA is the coding of life, and that smoking causes cancer, and that the world is round, gee those clever tricksters.
All a 'scientist' needs do to create the evidence you mention is write it down and have it published.
Well I am enjoying yours.
Fiction writers do it all the time.
More innuendo that research is all biased based on funding, more accusations of fraudulence and inaccuracies. Well show that then Redneck. Oh wait you'd have to do some study, or maybe research, review other work.....who is paying you Redneck to ummm, write the above fiction. There is far to much money to be lost by many, many people who have invested heavily in the argument that GW and climate change is not anthropogenic, or even happening. We both have our point of views, that we both can easily argue that have been bought.
The difference is supposed to be peer review and open discussion in order to prevent such from happening, but there is a tremendous amount of money being made from spoon-feeding incomplete and/or inaccurate information to the public. What is published and what is not is more usually an indication of what people are supposed to believe than anything else.
Firstly, you may use an extreme like "warming out of control" to sensationalise the oppositions position in order to make it seem unreasonable, but the fact is we have no control of the climate. We effect it though, and many, many scientist believe that those effect will have consequences, I know of no scientific reports that are saying that the world is ending, but that a lot of people will be affected adversely if we continue emitting GH gases the way we are. So far, many of the changes that have been predicted, have come to fruition, some sooner than previously thought (another omission you left out when comparing the 70's ice age scare to GW/climate change).
And here we have my real peeve on this subject: not that some believe the planet is warming out of control, not that studies are being performed in a haphazard way, but that fact is being manufactured in the public mind without regard to truth. That is not science; it is manipulation. As I have aged and matured somewhat, I have come to see the dangers inherent in such activity.
www.thespec.com...
Last year -- 2007 -- was the year in which global warming finally began to be taken seriously. The climate change deniers were in full retreat, and the realisation that we face a long and grave crisis was finally dawning on the general public. However, it remains to be seen whether it was the year in which the world agreed on effective measures to deal with the crisis.
Nice attempt at discrediting the consensus of the scientific community. There was no global consensus that the reason why USA and allies went to war with Iraq was valid, that is why the USA ignored the UN. That is why the world has suffered, because a few countries ignored all other reason in relation to the issue. Try another analogy.
It was a consensus that led us into the Iragi War.
No, it was only lies, made up, and "some" false data, try all of it, and they were exposed. The world was on to this scam, that was why millions of people marched against the war, here in Australia, in the UK and in the US.
Oops, that contained some false data... sorry, but we got to set up military presence in the area anyway.
There is and was a hole in the Ozone layer. CFC's were causing it. In 1987 the world agreed to stop using CFC's. The hole is slowly repairing itself. The world scientific community agreed that without the Ozone layer, we would not be able to live. If you can show me that we can, and that the Ozone layer has no hole, never did, and CFC's had nothing to do with it, I will gladly change my mind. I hope you have a little bit more than the expiration date of a refrigeration coolant. BTW, don't post any studies as they are all fiction( I love how your logic works Redneck, I am going to cast ambiguous aspirations on any science from now on as fiction written by anyone, whilst expecting others to consider my own posts as an authority because "I was there dude, at the coffee pot".)
It was a consensus at one time that life on the planet would be wiped out because that ozone hole was going to spread until it covered the planet... oops, didn't happen, but it sold a lot of sunscreen (I doubt you remember before sunscreen was widely used as I do) and helped DuPont out.
Sorry, I don't remember when that happened, eggs?.
Remember when eggs were deadly? I do. How about when milk was a carcinogen? I remember that one too, lasted about a week, waited a couple of days, then went for another week. Here's one you might remember: when the Patriot Act and NAFTA were good things. Yeah, that really proved out true.
quote by RedneckThe very fact that now, this soon after it happened, while those who remember it are still alive, the global cooling scare is claimed to not even have existed should scare any sane person. I always thought rewriting of history required waiting until at least most of those who remembered it were dead. But, like so many other things I have been told throughout my life, apparently not.
The stated purpose of ATS is 'deny ignorance'.
TheRedneck
Enjoy your propaganda.
i finally realise where i went wrong, i should have looked at made TV documentaries, news and coffee pot talk when i was looking at the misconception that there was a lot of serious science claiming that there was an impending ice age in the 70's rather than looking at what the scientific community was doing at the time, gee my bad.
Yeah, because as we know science just "creates" stuff all the time, like evidence that DNA is the coding of life, and that smoking causes cancer, and that the world is round, gee those clever tricksters.
More innuendo that research is all biased based on funding, more accusations of fraudulence and inaccuracies. Well show that then Redneck. Oh wait you'd have to do some study, or maybe research, review other work.....who is paying you Redneck to ummm, write the above fiction.
as to the manufacturing of public perception in relation to GW, once again your are of the mark. GW/climate change is only now being taken seriously by the public, Govt. and businesses. It has taken until the mid point of this decade to reach that point. Science has been largely ignored until this recent period.
Sorry Redneck, i finally realise where i went wrong, i should have looked at made TV documentaries, news and coffee pot talk when i was looking at the misconception that there was a lot of serious science claiming that there was an impending ice age in the 70's rather than looking at what the scientific community was doing at the time, gee my bad.
Sorry Redneck, i finally realise where i went wrong, i should have looked at made TV documentaries, news and coffee pot talk when i was looking at the misconception that there was a lot of serious science claiming that there was an impending ice age in the 70's rather than looking at what the scientific community was doing at the time, gee my bad.
There was a chill across the world, and it wasn't just the cold war. From the 1940s to the mid-70s, the planet seemed to be in the grip of a global cooling. For a while, almost every outbreak of extreme weather was blamed on it. Some members of a new scientific discipline, climatology, predicted a new ice age. Yet before the 70s were out, temperatures were rising and many of the soothsayers for a new ice age were warning of global warming instead. It is a strange, and now largely forgotten episode. Some say it shows climate scientists are scaremongers and shouldn't be believed, whatever they are predicting. So what happened three decades ago? And why should we believe the climatologists now?
After rising rapidly during the first part of the 20th century, global average temperatures did cool by about 0.2°C after 1940 and remained low until 1970, after which they began to climb rapidly again.
The mid-century cooling appears to have been largely due to a high concentration of sulphate aerosols in the atmosphere, emitted by industrial activities and volcanic eruptions. Sulphate aerosols have a cooling effect on the climate because they scatter light from the Sun, reflecting its energy back out into space.
The rise in sulphate aerosols was largely due to the increase in industrial activities at the end of the second world war. In addition, the large eruption of Mount Agung in 1963 produced aerosols which cooled the lower atmosphere by about 0.5°C, while solar activity levelled off after increasing at the beginning of the century
...the world is at the end of a golden era. that of benign climate and food surpluses. Moreover,climate change has set in, and it will be 40 to 60 years from now at a minimum,possibly centuries before we can hope for equally benign weather.
The earth's atmosphere, hence its weather, is driven by the heat of the sun.Temperature differences-between pole and equator, and between surface and upper air-constitute the main working parts of this heat engine and are responsible for pressure differences and the consequent flow of air masses.
Blacked out on the media... They become a man who does not exist...
Erased from the public eye...