November 3rd, 2008. Why is gasoline so cheap again?, page 1
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reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 01:56 AM by CreeWolf
reply to post by rattan1



I pretty much just go back-and-forth to work now because of the price of commodities, utilities, etc. But, when I do fill up on gasoline, I don't notice any decrease in traffic or business on my route. I really don't think demand has changed that much. Is traffic congestion the same where you are rattan1? Have you noted a decrease?



reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:03 AM by CreeWolf
reply to post by HypnoAsp


Yeah, forum placement seems to be pretty important around here. This is a sincere question I have. I thought I had a basic understanding of economics but I'm telling you, I do not notice a marked decrease in demand.

This is what I'm hoping to understand and your question helped clarify what I was asking. Who is behind this? Really? Thankyou HypnoAsp!

I'm waiting for the next elected idiot to take credit for this decline. I'm hoping this thread sticks around with the date originally posted to show that whichever idiot is elected is full of crap when they say "Look, I lowered gas prices!" Also, its obvious that George W. Bush is just "cruising" or I think he would have brought it up and tried to take credit for it. Congress? I don't really know what they've accomplished, but I haven't heard Nancy Pelosi taking credit for bringing the prices down either. What gives?


reply posted on 3-11-2008 @ 02:08 AM by CreeWolf
reply to post by CosmicEgg



Your thinking makes sense. I remember a few months ago when simply the "possibility" of the US increasing drilling was brought up, prices dipped. Of course, then Hurricane Ike or some other "excuse" brought the price back up again.


reply posted on 5-11-2008 @ 01:06 PM by behindthescenes
Originally posted by Pinktip
I've been trying to figure this out for months....

-I belive the oil spike was contrived, and it was the trigger for the Global Fiat house of cards to start falling apart.


You're sort of on the right track here. But in no way was the movement (and subsequent loss of billions of dollars some dark, secretive and coordinated move by a conspiracy cabal).

-No way the oil spike was from speculation....not over 100% increase...
Look at a yearly oil price chart....the spike looks like a heartbeat on a cardiogram...


Actually, speculation would be a misnomer. It's more creating an environment to propel unrealistic, stratospheric, short-term returns as many investors and asset managers were used to receiving in the commercial paper market.

I've slugged this the plague of locusts (equating locusts here to hedge funds and private equity). This plague has been the primary, if not sole, reason we've seen one asset bubble after another for well more than a decade -- beginning with technology then leading to real estate.

Investors -- particularly high net worth families, pension funds and other institutional investors -- became hooked on fast rising returns during the dotcom bubble. When enough of this private capital came in, it created a situation where valuation of most internet companies and stocks was beyond any reasonable expectation that the money put in would ever be returned -- even if the tech company's wildest dreams were met. This drove up the price/earnings ratio of all of Wall Street,
as charted here.

Once the bubble burst, billions of dollars were lost. The private capital percipitated this move-out and barely got out of the faltering market before 9/11 when the ground fell from beneath technology. Enter the second bubble. To prop up the ailing economy, brilliantly near-sighted and huberistic Alan Greenspan decided to slash interest rates to historic lows (right at 1%; sound familiar?). This had the net effect of making money -- and by extension, the dollar -- very cheap. The locusts now could leverage their vast reserves of capital using essentially free money. So, say a hedge fund with $10 million on its balance sheets could now realistically borrow another 100X that amount for little expense.

Oh, and 100X is actually extremely conservative, as one analyst pointed out the average hedge fund leverage was 3,000%! In other words, for every dollar a hedge held, it got a loan for $3,000.

Suddenly, private funds were cash rich, and desperate for a place to spend. Along comes the real estate lie. History had shown, until today, that real estate was able to show a steady, conservative return on the dollar over time, both commercial and residential properties. And what was better, unlike stocks, real estate is a limited commodity (you can't make more land, after all). Once banks got into the subprime game, the flood gates opened, and the locusts swarmed into real estate en masse, driving up values and prices to unprecedented proportions. This chugged along for nearly a decade, especially since hedge funds had an appetitie not for just owning the housing note of one single resident, but a pool of millions of residents, a commercial backed mortgage instument that promised to be like a bond -- returning a fixed amount because the risk was spread across millions of dollars worth of many properties instead of one.

This is a very long-winded explanation to get to your question: Why oil?
When the crash started late 2007, hedges and private equity saw the writing on the wall. And the locusts needed to get out and go elsewhere to get those short-term strong returns. Suddenly, commodities -- everything from oil and gas to lumber, corn, peas and freakin' carrots -- looked great. And their money dumped into that market in droves, driving up commodity prices to -- again -- unprecedented spikes. This is the reason we had $140 per barrel oil and corn and rice shortages. url=http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/05/29/8378002/index.htm]A story two years ago talking about hedge money moving into oil...[/url]

The reason commodity prices have crumbled is two-fold -- demand has significantly weakened as everyone in the world has become poorer (fueled by our depression). And second, hedge funds, facing an deluge of demand by account holders to cash out, have to liquidate to pay. So they attempted to drive up commodity prices, and then sell at the peak. And the overall depreciation of all assets is forcing even more selling by private equity funds as they struggle to drum up cash to pay back all those banks calling on their loans.


-When gas prices were high, it started a rapid increase in foreclosures becuase 80% of the USA population is living paycheck to paycheck with ~10K on thier CC.


Not really. As I stated earlier, foreclosure rates were hitting record levels as early as 2005, only the industry and America at large still were intoxicated by the success stories of our real estate mogels and idiots who wrote books encouraging the average American to go out and saddle themselves to fifty mortgages to buy properties and try to flip them in what will become the ultimate get-rich-quick ponzi scheme in history.


IMHO, this is all by design, how far conspiritorial do you want to go?
From the presidential election influence all the way to NWO global currency....


The design here is simply the collapse of history's greatest ponzi scheme -- a story of greed, ignorance, dramatic lies and the culpability of an entire government and banking industry hell-bent to keep America "prosperous" no matter the cost.

Okay. I'm done.

[edit on 11/5/2008 by behindthescenes]

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