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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Okay, Tut, I'll play your game. You say their (PNAC and CFR) direction is the same, but they are obviously going at it in totally different directions. Their goals and desires for the U.S. are totally different on the surface. How are they both going in the same direction, two different hands of the same body?
(I've alsready formulated a possible anwesr in my mind as I'm just that suspicious as to be able to do that, but let's see what you think!)
Originally posted by Seekerof
Pure primo selecto-vision....amazing, all within ONE thread!
I'm so sick of hearing about this lucid PNAC BS, because that is simply what it is! Amazingt how many take something from a think-tank conceptive analysis and literally twist into some sort of Global conspiracy theory, that frankly...holds NO freakin' water and that includes
As for FOX and tututkamen's saying this:
Well according to sworn live testimony in front of a nation watching, the entier administration had no idea or conception that planes would be used as miseles against the U.S.. Which allows only two conclusions, 1-they are totally ignorant and should in no way be allowed to occupy their offices or 2-they are blatant liars that assume the entire population of the U.S. is more ignorant than they are.. This is still an open Forum so feel free to post where you stand. Are you ignorant or are you ignorant.
Guess what Tut....may want to reconsider watching that darling show FOX! Why? Cause whatever program(s) you are watching are in that same 'selecto-vision' programming your pulling your information from! How so? Read these and tell all of us that the Clinton Administration and/or the US didn't have prior knowledge that PLANES would be used as missiles, k?
FBI informant revealed
9-11 plot in April 2001
Clinton Warned on Bin Laden Hijack-Kamikaze Plot
PNAC my arse!
Originally posted by CazMedia
you said you now understood why our airforce stood down as they didnt know it wasnt training....or they would have hit the burrnere to get there....
TO DO WHAT?
shoot down domestic airliners full of citizens? especially when the threat of off course still flying planes was NOT KNOWN? The people (USA) would have sh-t themselves if we had fired on our own without knowing what the hijackers intentions were!!!!
the us gov did know that the use of aircraft vs buildings was ONE OF THE POSSIBLE scenarios that COULD be taken, but NOONE in the commission hearings ever said they had a credible or tangible SPECIFIC threat of that type or any idea of a WHEN or WHERE....The government was aware of the tactic of using suicide pilots vs targets in WWII...OF COURSE it was possible...but no one knew for sure...it could have been a nuke in a cargo container, anthrax in the mail or any other of the dozen serious threats that have been dreamed up. how about a choice #3...the conspiracy is in your mind?
Originally posted by Seekerof
Definitely wasn't the already proven wrong Mr. Clarke there Tut tut.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Coolhand, for someone who is former military, your ignorance astounds me.
I am not former, I am current
Ever hear of the Zulu commitment? We could get planes off the ground from time of notification in 10 minutes to combat the soviets.
We stopped the Zulu missions in Europe when the Soviet Union fell, but not here. We have had planes on standby near key areas and always will. Andrews Airforce base, closest to DC, has such a mission.
But of course, if you look, on 9/11, most of the fighters were conviently on NC in the air on training missions. THEY WERE ALREADY IN THE FRIGGIN AIR.
Yes, armed with training ordnance. Did you just happen to overlook that fact? Not much they can do with training rounds short of ramming them.
Thus, after the first two planes struck the WTC, and another plane at the same time the second hit hijack confirmed, and those planes still flying around in NC? At that point, if those planes were told to return home, they would have more than made it in enough time to intercept flight 77 before it even appeared on the DC horizon.
They were being sent back to exchange training rounds with real ones.
But those fighters were not told to return home, after not one, but TWO airplanes had slammed into the WTC. We all knew then it was no accident, and the FAA and NORAD already knew the planes were hijacked LONG BEFORE THE PUBLIC KNEW.
Two major terrorist attacks involving planes on US soil, and the nations capitol not alerted till after the 4th plane is going down? Puleeze. After the Ok city bombing in 95, even at Khbar towers in Saudia arabia, we were suddenly on elevated alert.
And, according to the pilots dispatched from Otis Airforce base in MA, who were to respond to the situation in NYC, were up in the air about10 minutes after being notified.
What is your point? It takes that long to get the aircraft in the air.