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reply posted on 21-10-2008 @ 03:01 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by defcon5


I hate to point this out, but the theory of evolution is only a theory, it's not proven fact.


Clearly you don't understand much about science. I'm getting sick and tired of people saying this as it means nothing. Let me explain with a post I made in another thread.

Secondly, you have fallen into the 'theory' trap.

The way of which scientists prove what they find is accurate is the ‘Scientific Method’.
Let’s look at that next:
1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.


Here’s a flowchart.

A theory is not an
intellectual guess
, and it certainly isn't
sometimes backed with observations, and sometimes with nothing
Scientists don't
think of it and then try to find facts to back it up
scientists think up hypotheses after making an observation- which is then falsifiable by tests.

Hypotheses is not equal to theory.




And a flooding event around 3000 - 5000bc doesn't do anything to disprove evolution or validate anything in the bible, bat rather it eludes to the myth status of the events depicted therein.

[edit on 10/21/2008 by Good Wolf]


reply posted on 21-10-2008 @ 11:02 AM by dave420
reply to post by sir_chancealot



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Transitional fossils for many kinds of speciation have been found. Claiming they haven't, while convenient for your ridiculous argument, is a lie.



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reply posted on 21-10-2008 @ 11:41 AM by dave420
reply to post by sir_chancealot



You *do* realise that 'worm' is not a species, and that there are many different worm species that can not reproduce together? Right?


reply posted on 21-10-2008 @ 02:21 PM by FSBlueApocalypse
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
There is no laws in the U.S. that bans creation teaching, there have been attempts at banning evolution but the courts have regularly held that they can not ban evolution from being taught.

en.wikipedia.org...

The only thing I would like to see in the teaching of evolution is the truth, tell them it is a theory and unproven and I have no problem with that teaching. But when they say evolution is scientific fact I have a huge problem. Science should teach Science, known repeatable facts, but evolution has none to use so they use known falacies and debunked arguments to try to make the kids believe their theory is fact.

I actually think that neither evolution nor creation should be taught in Science classes to our kids. Neither can be proven and that is not science but speculation.

I would love to see one transitional fossil, give me one just one...

[edit on 10/21/2008 by theindependentjournal]

Pikaia, en.wikipedia.org...
Tiktaalik, en.wikipedia.org...
Pakicetus, en.wikipedia.org...

Or hell just pick one from the list
en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 27-10-2008 @ 08:44 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Old Man



Oh yes, the appeal to ignorance. You're on the wrong forum, mate.


Myself and many others are a bit more proactive.


reply posted on 27-10-2008 @ 08:47 AM by Old Man
reply to post by Good Wolf



Then I will meet you on the other side, Good Wolf....who is staring me down.


Do we have a date?


reply posted on 27-10-2008 @ 08:36 PM by solomons path
reply to post by theindependentjournal



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

U.S. Constitution

Creationism/I.D. is not in the realm of science, it takes the supposition of a god and therefore is religion. TUSC protects us heathen citizen's from a state sponsered religion . . . which is what Judeo/Christian dogma becomes if taught in public schools.

In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by rigorous observations in the natural world, or by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections, inclusion in a yet wider theory, or succession. Commonly, many more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.

en.wikipedia.org...

SO . . . if I.D. or Creationism is to be compared to evolution, as an alternative . . . what observable or experimental evidence has I.D./Creationism produced to support their hypothesis and, thus, make it theory.

Seems the only camp misuseing or misrepresenting the word Theory to the masses are those in support of I.D/Creationism . . . not the scientific community or "evolutionists".

As far as the OP goes . . . When you can't beat 'em and you can't join 'em . . . the next step is to crush them and wipe out a generation of knowledge (dark ages, inquisition, et. al)
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