reply to post by The All Seeing I
We should have separation of church and state but unfortunately church has found a way to influence the state... through the Republican Party.
Oh, you mean like the unfortunate way that God, the Creator and Divine Providence managed to influence our Declaration of Independence?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives,
our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
Now, here is one of your statements:
Considering all the mess our fellow anti-progressive pro-war brothers and sisters have roped us into
You cannot make generalizations like that, and get away with it. You have stated many premises that are not true.
Pro-War?- I consider myself a conservative and I am by no means pro-war. I detest war, and believe it is an absolute last resort.
Let's see who got us into some rather major wars in the 20th century:
World War I- Woodrow Wilson, Democrat
World War II- FDR, Democrat and the ultimate liberal
Korean War- Harry Truman, Democrat
Vietnam War- JFK, Democrat and expanded to include troops by LBJ, Democrat -ENDED by Richard M. Nixon, Republican
Furthermore, "W" is no conservative by any means.
another comment by you:
As i had stated, the mind and heart of the "true" conservative has been drastically altered/twisted over time... and i have stated the cause of this
You stated the "cause of this mutation". Really? And what makes YOU such an expert that we have to take your word as fact. In fact, it is
Don't set up straw men to be knocked down. People on ATS are too smart for that.
It would be a tremendous waste of time and effort for me to school you on something i think you should already be well informed about.
We are. but you are NOT.
Now, what is conservatism? Well, I think the first sentence in Wiki does a good job of summarizing it:
Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favour tradition, where tradition refers to various religious, cultural, or
nationally defined beliefs and customs. I
Note the word religious, which you obviously despise. Also note the word tradition, which liberals have attempted to destroy in this country. In fact,
liberals today have tried to destroy the very fabric of America. The things that pass as acceptable by liberals today, would be considered horrific 40
or 50 years ago.
You want to know why children don't respect authority today? In large part, because liberals tore down legitimate authority everywhere that they
Respect? Not many liberals have RESPECT for religion, culture, traditions, or any of the other things that conservatives treasure, including the right
to life of those unborn who cannot speak for themselves.
I call it what it is- MURDER. Liberals call it "Choice". Question- What choice did the unborn have?
Liberals don't even RESPECT those in their ranks that don't agree with them on EVERY ISSUE. Look what they did to PA Gov. Casey, who was a dedicated
democrat, but was against abortion. The Dem Liberals refused to let him even speak at their convention. Look at what they did to Sen. Lieberman. Just
because he did not agree with them on one issue, they ostracized him, and ran an unknown Democrat against him. Fortunately for him, the voters knew
I think you guys have ATS's slogan flipped, unless it's been change recently ... it's not "deny facts" or to "deny truth"... it's to "deny
Maybe you ought to take your own advice.
Another of your quotes:
Let me once again spell it out for you, in yet another way... the Christian Coalition and AIPAC have hijacked the GOP and everything they stand for.
Their influence is so pervasive they have the Democrats spooked into giving a song and dance to this demographic of politically active bible belt
conservatives and zionists.
Zionists. Oh, and the Democratic party and liberals are NOT kowtowing to Israel? Wow, that's a news flash.
And by the way, the most liberal member of the Senate, your candidate, Barack Obama, didn't kowtow to the "bible belt" as you call it, when he made
his famous remark about people clinging to their religion and guns.
So, in virtually every remark you made, you have been proven wrong. Why do't you just go back to your drawing board, and think up another Hate that
you can post to.
[edit on 16-10-2008 by ProfEmeritus]