Moscow calls for anti-US alliance

Australian Sydney Morning Herald
www.smh.com.au...


Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
October 10, 2008

THE President of Russia has called on Europe's leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

Confident that a row with Europe prompted by Russia's invasion of Georgia in August was over, Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the French spa town of Evian on Wednesday determined to woo his fellow leaders into creating an anti-US front.

Gone was the kind of wartime rhetoric that saw Mr Medvedev lash out at the West and describe his Georgian counterpart, Mikheil Saakashvili, as a "lunatic". Instead Mr Medvedev spoke of a Russia that was "absolutely not interested in confrontation", and outlined plans for a new security pact to ban the use of force in Europe.

Yet there was little doubt that Mr Medvedev was playing the divide-and-rule tactics of Vladimir Putin, his predecessor and now Prime Minister, by seeking to pit the US against its European allies.

In a speech delivered to European leaders at a conference hosted by the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, to discuss the international financial crisis, Mr Medvedev sought to show that the US was at the root of all the world's problems. He blamed Washington's "economic egotism" for the world's financial woes and then accused the Bush Administration of taking Europe to the brink of a new cold war by pursuing a deliberately divisive foreign policy.

He also maintained that the US was once again trying to return to a policy of containing Russia.

"After toppling the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, the United States started a series of unilateral actions," Mr Medvedev said.

"As a result, a trend appeared in international relations towards creating dividing lines. This was in fact the revival of a policy popular in the past and known as containment."

While he called for a cooling of the noxious rhetoric that had blighted East-West relations over the past two years, Mr Medvedev clearly laid the blame for the deterioration on the US, which he said was again viewing Russia through the prism of the Cold War. "Sovietology, like paranoia, is a very dangerous disease, and it is a pity that part of the US Administration still suffers from it," he said.

In order to end the "unipolar" model in which the world depended on the US, he proposed creating new financial systems to challenge the dominance of the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organisation, both of which had fallen under Washington's spell.

Attacking the enlargement of NATO, which he said had advanced provocatively towards Russia, he proposed a new European security treaty.

The new European pact would include "a clear affirmation of the inadmissibility of the use of force - or the threat of force - in international relations" and would be built on the principle of the territorial integrity of independent nations.

While Russia has insisted it was not intending to supplant NATO, Mr Medvedev made it clear that the US-dominated alliance was partly responsible for the war in the Caucasus by its failure to rein in Georgian "aggression".

The Russian President won praise from Mr Sarkozy after he announced that all Russian troops had been withdrawn from buffer zones around Georgia's rebel enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia before today's deadline.

Describing his guest as a man who had "kept his word", Mr Sarkozy immediately declared that talks on an EU-Russia partnership deal, suspended as punishment for Russia's military operation in Georgia, could resume.

Telegraph, London; Guardian News & Media

Originally posted by utopiagirl


While Russia has insisted it was not intending to supplant NATO, Mr Medvedev made it clear that the US-dominated alliance was partly responsible for the war in the Caucasus by its failure to rein in Georgian "aggression".

Oh Come on, that area of the globe has for century's been a pain in the rear.


Now in the 21st century it's Americas fault?

He is either ignorant or just American bashing.

Give me a break.

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sorry bad connection

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Ah... Very interesting.

Merkel was in talks with Medvedev recently and promised that Germany will oppose the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine in NATO (wise decision).

So for Russia, mission accomplished and they can rest their case. They actually don't need confrontation now that they got what they wanted.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Now in the 21st century it's Americas fault?

Don't shoot the messenger now..

I hate to be the one to break this to you but thats a general global consensus and has been getting worse and worse over the past few years. With this global collapse that has stemmed from US, he's going to get a lot of airtime because he's saying what a lot of EU leaders are already thinking.

Originally posted by utopiagirl
Australian Sydney Morning Herald
www.smh.com.au...


Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
October 10, 2008

THE President of Russia has called on Europe's leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

Confident that a row with Europe prompted by Russia's invasion of Georgia in August was over, Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the French spa town of Evian on Wednesday determined to woo his fellow leaders into creating an anti-US front.

Did you just register today? Welcome fellow newbie

Didn't Russia bail out Iceland yesterday to the tune of $900bn? In England 66 of the Borough Councils have their money in Icesaver accounts and are now demanding the same provisions as individual savers.

I'm practicing my kalinkas right now?

yeah lets trust a newspaper whos highest sales come from its Sunday tabloid.

just because its written on the internet it doesn't mean its ultra reliable.

Originally posted by drsmooth23
yeah lets trust a newspaper whos highest sales come from its Sunday tabloid.

just because its written on the internet it doesn't mean its ultra reliable.

Straight from the horses mouth.. that is.. unless you dont trust translators either


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I'm not particularly against this USA bashing, because it's mostly just bush bashing. I agree that USA administration has been trying to police the world for long enough and need to be put promptly back to it's own boarders. It's like the play ground bully.

However, I do not believe this is the best time to be putting USA in it's place, arguing over who caused the financial crisis before the crisis is solved (or best effort made) is the wrong thing to do. We need to get past this meltdown first, before lessons and punishments are issued.


And IMHO the problem with Georgia would have been solved if the world recognised South Ossetia's and Abkazia's sovereignty and independence. If that were the case, then Georgia being the aggressor would have been treated as such not just by Russia.

It's only fair.

A LOT of calls for a "New World Order" by too many different leaders / factions.
They are all obviously in a world play, playing their scripted roles well.

Amazing how a few petro dollars emboldens the pigs.

Hey when was the last time you heard anything about HHO / water for gas? Seems that movement has been crushed all of a sudden! People are indeed sheep and are being lead to the slaughter.

Someone's got to tie NWO language to Hitler and start suing these people just for saying the worlds. ADL anyone? LOL!

Oh I miss LEISURE!!!!!

hey guys, i'm new, just been lurking around for a few years, i just thought it was creepy with all the October 10 "date spikes" and such, that on Oct 10 there would be news articles that blatantly read NWO for the gen public. Maybe they're not trying to make it seem so scary so dropping the jargon is just warming up the public for what's to come.

Recently we had World Youth Day down here in Sydney, traffic was chaos, pilgrims were really bold about their allegiance and the Pope was putting in his 2 cents. I feel down here we were getting prepped for reconnecting the dots to a real unified world government, no matter how much our prime minister says we can do our own thing.

And Russia, the spectacular beacon of freedom and prosperity, wants to be the leader of the pack, huh?

How about we try something new. How about everybody just leaves everyone else alone and doesn't try to exert their will over other peoples.

lol, what about an anti-RUSSIA alliance started by Eastern Europe ?

Originally posted by Mad Max
And Russia, the spectacular beacon of freedom and prosperity, wants to be the leader of the pack, huh?

Cold war is over, Russia won't be heading anything anymore because if the US takes many more economic hits, there will be a half dozen superpowers.

It looks like Russia are trying to get in with the biggest global economic agglomeration at the moment - the EU. It also looks like they are trying to isolate the US from the EU.

I doubt that will happen but it is already starting to look like the US has lost a massive amount of its influence on this side of the Atlantic.

Even Iceland turned to Russia for a bailout!! What's the story with that?? i thought Iceland was the USA's bitch

Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by Mad Max
And Russia, the spectacular beacon of freedom and prosperity, wants to be the leader of the pack, huh?

Cold war is over, Russia won't be heading anything anymore because if the US takes many more economic hits, there will be a half dozen superpowers.

It looks like Russia are trying to get in with the biggest global economic agglomeration at the moment - the EU. It also looks like they are trying to isolate the US from the EU.

I doubt that will happen but it is already starting to look like the US has lost a massive amount of its influence on this side of the Atlantic.

Even Iceland turned to Russia for a bailout!! What's the story with that?? i thought Iceland was the USA's bitch

I'm surprised the US still has any influence left anywhere in the world, considering how our government has managed to cause a reverse Midas touch in that everything they put their hands on turns from gold into dung.