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U.S. threatens to steal Iraq oil money

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posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties
I guess this could just be more propaganda and fear-mongering but something about the way the article is written, and its contents, suggests to me an element of truth...


Annnndddd, that's the whole idea behind Propaganda!!




posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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It never occured to you that this situation was created deliberately?
Simply keep the country's development at a minimum and later on come and say "ok, you gotta let us handle this for a looong time. But the price is oil".
Iraq needed the education and training to beselfsustaining and in a fashion so that they could manage this task in years, not decades.

It is like has been said, blackmail, created through dependency.



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
I agree, since they cant get it from the taxpayers on that bailout, they gotta steal it from someone...why not the Iraqi people instead.

Good ol Wushy Bushy ethics. Pfft!!!


Cheers!!!!


Quite logical observation, the US steals from other countries to support their own policies and economics. This is ethically and morally wrong because it is stealing.




Got news for you....the US has been footing the bill in many places around the world for decades...Iraq is not the first nor will it be the last as long as thieves are elected into office.


Then it seems that you think this is ok because the US unfairly foots the bill in these situations even though the situations are largely of their own making?



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 10:52 PM
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Wow!

Hitler was an amateur compared to this!!! They're rolling now, there's no stopping them now!!!!

Holy crap!!!!!



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
IMHO, it isn't theft. It's a long overdue bill the standing Iraq government owes this country. They were supposed to be footing their own bill by now, yet are still suckling at the teat of the US tax payer. That's wrong.


You illegally invaded their country and destroyed it.

Then your own US companies ripped you off and didn't even rebuild half the stuff they were meant to.

Then your own companies relocated their headquarters to Dubai to avoid paying US taxes back to the very country that pays them.

Your own economic system has now failed you, primarily due to people like you parrotting the official government dogma even though they are clearly shafting you just as readily and happily as they are shafting the Iraqis.

Continue doing this, it is clearly a recipe for a happy, equitable, content, safe, intelligent, educated, secure, healthy, progressive, enlightned and mature society.



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
IMHO, it isn't theft. It's a long overdue bill the standing Iraq government owes this country. They were supposed to be footing their own bill by now, yet are still suckling at the teat of the US tax payer. That's wrong.



Wow so you belive that Iraq should pay Amercia for invading it?

What a fantastic scam..."We will invade you (because we can) and then you pay us ok"

Genius



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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We illegally invaded their country? Since when has invasion for purposes of war ever been legal? When we invaded France in 1944, that too, was illegal.

Give it a rest.

The dictatorial government of Sadaam continued to violate UN sanctions, and we just took it upon ourself to take his ass out. Now exactly what did we steal? Oil? We haven't taken a drop.

But now - with these ungrateful bastards - we should squat on their oil fields, sell the stuff off until our total war costs have been recovered, and then let them have it.

The intel was flawed on the WMD. Even the Iraqi nuclear scientists admitted that they were making progress toward nuclear weapons development.

The only mistake in Iraq was that we should have gone in hard, wiped out resistance as we approached it, disarmed their military, and then faded out into the desert and roam. Tell them to play nice and figure it all out, or we'd be back. This way they'd have had their civil war, and one side or the other would have basically wiped the other out, and then we go in and only have to fight one side - if we wanted.

This mean, lean, roaming army, just on the horizon would worry not only the Iraqi's, but the Syrians, and certainly the Iranians.

You never take and hold territory, and you don't hold prisoners. The most basic premise of warfare that our politicians force our military to violate.

There's always someone else that needs shooting. Always.



posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 11:24 PM
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posted on Oct, 4 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by primamateria
 


We illegally invaded their country? Since when has invasion for purposes of war ever been legal? When we invaded France in 1944, that too, was illegal.


Give it a rest.


Correct.

What about when the mongols invaded China. Or when the Romans invaded Britain. Or greece.

Stuff like this has been going on since the dawn of mankind, and will continue to go on. Nothing wrong with it, it's human nature (and animals do it to). It's as natural as eating or drinking.


At least when we do it, we do whatever we can to prevent civilian casualties of the nations we invade, and instead of plundering the nations we invade, we rebuild it and give them better stuff than what we have (lol), i.e. Iraq.

I'm all for looting killing and plundering though. It's the point of war!


-LS

[edit on 4-10-2008 by LogicalSolution]



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by ergoli
In a new unheard-of racketeering scheme, the criminal Bush regime is threatening to steal the Iraqi people's oil revenues if popular opposition to the murderous occupation persists. How can such dangerous criminals blackmail other countries so brazenly while facing no opposition at home ? Are the american people devoid of values and morals or have the warmongers bought up every major news outlet ?

english.aljazeera.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


it wouldnt matter who was in the oval office, this doesnt come from bush, this is how the federal reserve operates.

they do the exact, very same thing to each and every citizen right here at home, and they have long intended to spread their influence globally, you may know this as NWO.

they are an illegal entity, institutionalised law breakers who have enslaved every american citizen, from washington to the ghetto.

they are the real power in this country. elected officials are impotent against them. the american people are powerless.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 12:35 AM
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They don't owe us anything at all. We invaded THEIR country based on lies. We owe them big, and all they want is for us to leave. If it were China or Russia in your back yard how would you feel if they added insult to literal injury by billing you for hardships the invaders sustained?
You don't know what you are talking about, that is obvious. Try talking to some of the Marines that have been over there. The terrorists are killing many more Iraqi's than US soldiers. We have rebuilt that place, not from destruction we did, but Sadam did. We built schools, we built roads, we dug wells, we built an infrastructure. The people see this, and know it. But they are told daily in the mosques that we are doing only what you say we are doing. And we did not go over there for a lie. Sadam was murdering many Iraqi Kurds, let alone Muslims. He didn't have WMDs? Yes he did; we sold them to him. And of course, we found them but you weren't paying attention. And if you think we just wanted their oil, you should look into it, and you will find out that the ME is running out. They have been lying for years about their reserves, due to OPEC demands that they limit their sales of the remaining reserves. And America has enough oil to last us a LONG long time, no thanks to the communist democrat pelosi.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 01:28 AM
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Well, if the Iraqi's had taken on responsibility instead of sending us the tab, then maybe this would be criminal...sure the war was unjustified from our stance...but we did free them from oppression, and you can't justify Saddam as a "good guy." So I would actually support this, frankly I think we should have stuck a deal saying they had to sell the U.S. oil at $40-50 a barrel exclusively.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 04:29 AM
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Stuff like this has been going on since the dawn of mankind, and will continue to go on. Nothing wrong with it, it's human nature (and animals do it to). It's as natural as eating or drinking.


No it is not, and with an attitude like that it is easy to see why the USA has lost all respect and standing in the world. You are the reason the USA has no moral compass.

If someone raped and murdered your mother how would you feel if I said its natural and normal, nothing wrong with it?

How do you feel while your CEOs rip you off blind and walk away after ruining people's lives? Is that fine too?

Think about what you're saying and thinking!



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by yellowcard
Well, if the Iraqi's had taken on responsibility instead of sending us the tab, then maybe this would be criminal...sure the war was unjustified from our stance...but we did free them from oppression, and you can't justify Saddam as a "good guy." So I would actually support this, frankly I think we should have stuck a deal saying they had to sell the U.S. oil at $40-50 a barrel exclusively.


Iraq never asked to be invaded - they don`t want the USA to rape there resources and are resisting the occupation - you know like france did to the germans in WW2.

they have less safety now than before , and have less services - years after the USA steamrollered there contry , there is little mains water or electricty unless you are in the `green zone`.

and don`t get me started on the destroyed hostpials and schools - all in the name of riding iraq of wmd`s - which they never had anyway



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 05:53 AM
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Yeah I noticed that too.

I searched on google for any other sources, only Iran Press TV site and more conspiracy sites cover this subject.
Google Link



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by yellowcard
Well, if the Iraqi's had taken on responsibility instead of sending us the tab, then maybe this would be criminal...sure the war was unjustified from our stance...but we did free them from oppression, and you can't justify Saddam as a "good guy." So I would actually support this, frankly I think we should have stuck a deal saying they had to sell the U.S. oil at $40-50 a barrel exclusively.


They didn't "send us the tab", we had to rebuild their country because we destroyed all their infrastructure and there would have been total anarchy if we left them that way. Iran and Saudi Arabia would have gone to war and carved up what was left of Iraq.

As for freeing them from oppression, Iraq had just received an award for having the highest education and literacy rate among all the middle east countries. They were one of the best rated nations for liberties and women's rights, and they were the ONLY middle east nation that the US State Department had not issued a travel advisory for - ie: the SAFEST nation for foreign workers and tourists in the middle east.

And the oil... We DID just sign a deal giving exclusive rights to US and allied oil companies to plunder Iraq's oil reserves, the pricing and details are a national secret that the Iraqi PM won't even reveal to his own government. There were leases in Northern Iraq snapped up by Texas oil companies with ties to the Bush family that could return an estimated $5 TRILLION. These are places the Iraqis didn't even know they had oil, but we apparently knew exactly where it was.

That's why we are there now, that's why we built dozens of permanent military bases right next to the major oil pipelines and pumping stations, and that's why we're forcing the Iraqis to let us stay.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:25 AM
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are you people insane?

America illegaly invaded Iraq

Not only do you owe them you'll never be able to pay them back as much as you morally should.

You killed their people and are trying to westernize their culture.

and LOLLLLLLLLL at everyone saying go ahead, as if THEY will be seeing even a penny of this money.

So let's invade a country illegally, steal their oil yet gas prices still goes up, kill their ppl, destroy their country and westernize them culture, modern imperialism a la carte all while funding for these activities bankrupt america, then steal all of their oil money at the end and the american people are for it yet will never see a penny.

Wow, americans are the biggest immoral suckers on this planet.

It's like a lab mouse going for cheese in a maze, he keeps getting electrocuted but he just keeps doing it nonetheless.

U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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I think we need to stay in Iraq.
To control the oil and have a presence of power in the region.
And will we have to twist an arm or to to stay there, perhaps.
USSR was a lot of things, and one she was very good at was being the strict/stern/disciplinary parent to a lot of those countries over there. We need to stay in Iraq to be a parental presence in the region for years to come. We occupied Japan for years and Germany as well.



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 08:04 AM
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'parental presence' ? I don't know the conditions you grew up in, but a 'parent' doesn't bomb his kids back in to the stone age, set up prisons where torture is the norm, with people who had never been involved in terrorism being humiliated and tortured.

check out this link: newsmine.org.../iraq/insurgency/undercover-brits-basra/british-soldiers-dressed-like-arabs-fired-on-police-patrol.txt

Western soldiers posing as Arabs, inciting sectarian violence.. and when they get caught, the army busts them out with tanks, killing more policemen in the process. Truly a tearjerking example of us, enlightened Westerners, bringing Democracy to the masses, eh ?

the plundering of Iraq has been going on from day 1 of the war.. in the form of lucrative contracts awarded to 'All-American Companys' like Halliburton. Of which Dick Cheney was CEO.

www.time.com...

for a lot more details:

oversight.house.gov...

And meanwhile, the troops in Iraq showered in contaminated water provided by the same firm that's been cleaning house.

Meanwhile, those troops have to pay an overinflated fee just to get their clothes washed.

And the work that's been done has mainly been building roads and supplying the green zone.. and then you wonder why Iraqi's want the U.S out of their country ?



posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 08:28 AM
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Ya know what, it's ONE POST LIKE YOURS that makes everyone in the world think that ALL AMERICANS think just like you. You're a sad human being. In my neighborhood, you wouldn't have lasted a day.


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