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Modern research in migrations and genetics confirming Pre-historic civilizations

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:51 AM
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Genetic Analysis of the Ancient Basques connects them to Atlantis and Atlantean refugees in the Gobi desert
www.edgarcayce.org...

Bonus-
www.thamazigh.com...

Now, get this, some have even tried to claim the painted images that are about 12,000 years old found in the Pyraness and mountains of Spain and France, were created by Cro Magnon man apes. This is a joke.

And about the paintings in the Pyranees mountains and caves in France....

This is one of the exact locations that the Atlantean Children of the Law of One retreated to prior to the destruction of Atlantis. The CLO , knowing the signs and knowing the times, went to the Pyrenees somewhere before or around 10,500 BC

Cro Magnon man apes didn't do it!
www.pureinsight.org...
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more-
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Civlization less than 10,000 years old? Yeah right!
www.pureinsight.org...

more about what is actually going on with the prehistoric cultures and pre historic cave paintings, they weren't the cro magnon ape men who were creating these things! no way!

more images of the prehistoric culture etc.
photo.minghui.org...

Sophisticated Paintings in the Pyranees mountains dated around 12,000 years ago


Not buying it. Cro magnons are very, very different than humans. Did you ever see a human with ape eye brow lines and no third eye like cro magnon apes? No

Geez, I didn't even realize some people still believed cro magnon man apes painted the cave paintings in the Pyraness mountains and caves of france and spain. And I didn't realize people still believed civilization was less than 12,000 years old.

More about evolution-
www.pureinsight.org...



Here is something very amazing, newly discovered in 2008, there is art inside the Queen's chamber of the Great Pyramid.....it's depicting an Elephant. Quite similar actually to the Rock art in the Pyrenees mountains from 12,000 years ago-
www.hallofmaat.com...,500423




Some of those of the light, retreated to Egypt and built the Great Pyramids there




[edit on 5-2-2009 by Hollywood11]




posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:15 AM
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What does pictures of the axis of the Way of the Dead and the view from the apex of the Sun Pyramid have to do with Caucasians?

Oh and Olmecs were not in South America.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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A good question to ask here!

The OP or whomever he is linking to doesnt have a clue...or dont have their geology 101 correct!!!

OLMECS were from MesoAmerica....the connectiong portion between North and South Americas.

This is where Pseudo Archaeologists make funny silly idiotic mistakes.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:46 AM
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OP,

Though its quite futile in asking you to provide evidence to the claim og genetic studies proving connection to pre-historic cvilizationand particulary atlantis...

i will give one more try ...

provide link to a scientific paper on genetics published and generally accepted all over about lgenetic links to atlantis.

as your first link about basques being connected to atlanteans genetically





Since the Basques speak a non-Indo-European language and have the highest proportion of the Rh negative blood type of all the peoples of the world, they were widely considered to be a genetically isolated population, preserving the genes of European Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers, until recent genetic studies found that modern Basques have a common ancestry with other Western Europeans.[14] The similarity includes the predominance in their male populations of Y-chromosome (Haplogroup R1b), now considered to have been spread through Europe by new arrivals in the Neolithic period or later.[15]

mtDNA (Haplogroup V) was initially thought to have spread through Europe after the last Ice Age from a refuge in what is now the Basque Country.[16] However studies have found no V in ancient remains from three prehistoric sites in the Basque Country dating to 4000-5000 years ago.[17] In addition, haplogroup K (mtDNA), found at frequencies of 16%-23% in the prehistoric sites, is nearly absent from modern Basques, while haplogroup J (mtDNA) (thought to have arrived in Europe with Neolithic farmers), found in two prehistoric sites at a frequency of 16% and the early medieval necropolis at Aldaieta at 14.7%, has suffered a major reduction to 2.4% in modern Basques.[17]

en.wikipedia.org...


There goes........

So, if some pre historic cave art is found...its quite fine..it proves we have artisitc capabilities from very long back...

But what the hell does atlantis have to do with these paintings????



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by haika
What does pictures of the axis of the Way of the Dead and the view from the apex of the Sun Pyramid have to do with Caucasians?

Oh and Olmecs were not in South America.


Well Haika

Welcome to the weird world of factual distortion

Ah Hollywood - that message of yours has so many errors, failures of logics and plain nonsense it's almost painful to read

Where to start, LOL



Genetic Analysis of the Ancient Basques connects them to Atlantis and Atlantean refugees in the Gobi desert


Hans: Ah no Hollywood, if you go to the original report it says no such thing, you are making stuff up



Now, get this, some have even tried to claim the painted images that are about 12,000 years old found in the Pyraness and mountains of Spain and France, were created by Cro Magnon man apes.


Hans: Firstly Hollywood you need to get your terms right. There is no such thing as a "Cro-magnon man apes" that something you made up. Its not real its just your fantasies again.

Cro-magnon man

Hans: The term you are mangling with misuse is an old term which most educated people outside of Europe don't use, they use early modern humans, or just homo sapiens. They seemed to have done a good job of painting don't you think? Why would 'Atlanteans' be using such primitive methods, materials and using torches inside of caves?



Civlization less than 10,000 years old? Yeah right!


Hans: Ah we have proof you don't know know anything about science and what a pole shift is.....




more about what is actually going on with the prehistoric cultures and pre historic cave paintings, they weren't the cro magnon ape men who were creating these things! no way!


Hans: Ah a change of pace, now you go into creationist propaganda, well at least the pictures are nice. Some of which are actually prehistoric art - your point being? Besides the fake giant bones and non human footprints? What does this have to do with migrations and genetics....ya know the point?



Not buying it. Cro magnons are very, very different than humans. Did you ever see a human with ape eye brow lines and no third eye like cro magnon apes? No


Hans: Earth to Hollywood, Earth to Hollywoos, come on down! Sorry Hollywood Cro-Magnon are humans. You need to read a book - please read a book.



Here is something very amazing, newly discovered in 2008, there is art inside a shaft of the Queen's chamber of the Great Pyramid


Hans: Well no again Hollywood its not in a shaft of the Queen's chamber its on the wall of the Queen's chamber. a stone made of granite - I'm the guy who posted it remember. No one at this time knows what those are. .....well accept you, even the discoverer isn't so foolish as to state for a fact what they are....



Some of those of the light, retreated to Egypt and built the Great Pyramids there


Hans: Now to finish this tour of "modern reserach in migration s and genetics confirming prehistoric civilizations" you end with a badly overly photoshopped piece of Egyptian writing. By the way Hollywood you do know that date of that piece of writing don't you? Care to guess when it was made?


Then show a map which shows the pyramids are the center of mass of the earth! Well done, complete nonsense to cap off your evidence. This had what to do with genetics again???

Seriously Hollywood do you think anyone would be convinced of anything except that you know nothing about science, are naive to a fault and cannot explain or show evidence to support what you are trying to get across?

Bedazzling and funny



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 03:00 AM
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It is somewhat difficult to take him seriously don't you think?



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 04:45 AM
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It should be clear that Cro Magnons were apes, and animals. Not ancestors of humans. They existed side by side with humans and one didn't come from another.

You know, when it comes down to it many evolutionists really do believe we were a bunch of cro-magnon man-apes until 12,000 years ago when we developed culture and agriculture all around the world at roughly and relatively the same time suddenly. I've even heard some people claim Cro-Magnons are humans even though their skulls clearly indicate they are apes and not humans! Some believe humans used to be like "Lucy" even. It's not true.

Oh but what? 40,000 year old footprints in mexico cause evolutionists to scramble to make desperate and irrational excuses.
www.ljmu.ac.uk...
www.mexicanfootprints.co.uk...

lol! "evolutionists unhappy with results!" Notice how they claim, "it must be either a whole magnitude wrong and they must be way older, or they're not footprints at all then probably, or this or that excuse, but it can't be what the dating methods indicated!" Lol @ scrambling to make excuses and reinterpret things
www.answersingenesis.org...


Ok, as we go on here, I'm starting to really see evolution for what it really is.

You people really do claim that people were cro-magnon man-apes, many different kinds of apes too, until 12,000 years ago and have only now developed civilization,
www.msu.edu...

Gentic data reveals however that humans are 200,000 years old in their current form.

So you decide to move the goalposts and call 5 different apes along with humans as homo sapiens

How the 5 peoples were formed? Yellow, Red, White, Black, and Brown? No way you can explain it if Cro Magnon or Neandethal is related to man or a forerunner to man, since why then did all 5 races evolve away independantly from Cro Magnon and into the same modern human?

Remember, there have been many, many, apes on this planet, but only one Human Race.

Basically you're saying this is a human being, or the "predecessor to modern man, yeah right!



If the “missing link” that allegedly proves that humans and apes have evolved from the same animal has been found, why continue the search? News reports regularly feature evolutionary “missing link” stories, as evidence of either human or animal evolution. Piltdown man, Neanderthal man, Cro-magnon man, Java man, “Lucy,” Ramapithecus, Nebraska man, the Tourmai fossil … have all been touted as “missing links” at some time. Nebraska man was a pig's tooth, Piltdown man was a fraud, and the others are either human or ape — not “missing links.”

The theory of evolution is incapable of finding the link to prove how everything could evolve from nothing, how life could evolve from non-life, or how one kind of creature could evolve into a completely different kind when it lacks the genetic coding to do so.

Scholars often refer to the "missing link". There has not been enough fossil evidence to positively link Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens. Some schools believe that Homo Erectus was an evolutionary dead end, and that Homo Sapiens evolved independantly in a number of geographically separate areas from other sources. What we do have today is a wide range of human "races" - Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasian, with skin colours varying from white, to yellow, olive, reddish, brown and black, varying eye colour, hair colour, blood types, etc. All humans on the planet are able to inter-breed.

Cro Magnon Man can be found to have lived from about 45,000 to 10,000 years ago in the Upper Paleolithic period of the Pleistocene epoch. The Cro Magnon man is named after its first findings, they were discovered by Louis Lartet and Henry Christy in March of 1868 in the Cro Magnon cave at Dordogne, France. The remains were those of 3 adult males, 1 adult female, and one infant. Cro Magnon probably developed in asia, migrated to europe, and co-existed with Neanderthal man for a time (eventually they drove the Neandertals into exctinction) and flourished in southern Europe during the last glacial age. In Europe, by convention, Cro-Magnon times (the Upper Paleolithic) ended together with Pleistocene 11,000 years ago.



They're animals not people-



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 04:56 AM
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Hollywoood, You should know by this time that It is impossible to prove a negative.

Since you have been beating around the bush on your drum for quite a long time....here is a challenge to you...

Prove that the Cro-Magnon Man is not an "early modern human"!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 04:58 AM
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Hollywood, are you arguing neanderthals or cro magnon? Cause you talk about cro magnon, yet you show pictures of neanderthals... Everyone (well except you) know that cro magnon where much more homo sapiens like than the neanderthals (if not being early homo sapiens).

[edit on 5-2-2009 by merka]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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Merka. Great Observation!

Thats what Pseudo-historians/anthropologists/what-ever-ians do....

Hollywood..tsk tsk...always trying to confuse people...

A neandrethal is aneandrethal is a neandrethal….never a cro magnon man



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Well Hollywood there is a point where your pronouncement veer off from being fringe or alternative thought into confusion and irrationality. You have reached that point.

So, you've shown you don't know what the label Cro-magnon means or is. Let go back to basics.

Does 2 + 2 = 4? Right now your telling us its 37.33

Irrationality isn't a debate position

[edit on 5/2/09 by Hanslune]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Genetic proof of Atlanteans???
Beacuse as we all know, scientists know where Atlantis was (but they are all so mean that they don't want to tell us....a really secretive crowd huh?) and they were able to take samples of genetic material of these individuals.

(This is actually quite fun)

Hey hollywood, I'm still waiting for your answer on the pic of the apex of the Sun Pyramid in Teotihuacan and the Avenue of the Dead and what they have to do with caucasians.

Lucy was a hominid, btw.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Howdy Haika

This is Hollywood's normal style of debate, dump nonsense then run.

Hey I'll pick on you for awhile about hominids vs hominins......As taxonomic classification changes with new molecular findings, modern humans and their ancestors are referred to by either of these two terms: hominid (traditional classification) and hominin (new classification). Hominin is fast becoming the preferred term. Hominid is being reserved for a boarder catalogy of all primates I do believe!

I tend to make the mistake too, using the older term instead of the new one so you are in good company.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by merka
Hollywood, are you arguing neanderthals or cro magnon? Cause you talk about cro magnon, yet you show pictures of neanderthals... Everyone (well except you) know that cro magnon where much more homo sapiens like than the neanderthals (if not being early homo sapiens).

They are classified as Homo Sapiens. Hence, they are Homo Sapiens.

They are only called Cro Magnon because the place they were first found was on property owned by a man whose last name was Magnon.

Similarly, Java Man's

Hollywood is a know-nothing. The only reason not to have him on ignore is because his posts are sooo ridiculously funny.

Harte



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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The only reason not to have him on ignore is because his posts are sooo ridiculously funny.


I admit that's my reason and he's like a reality show. Publicly self-humiliating himself for no particularly good reason.

Maybe some day he'll do some research besides cut and paste.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by merka
reply to post by Hollywood11
 

Hollywood, are you arguing neanderthals or cro magnon? Cause you talk about cro magnon, yet you show pictures of neanderthals... Everyone (well except you) know that cro magnon where much more homo sapiens like than the neanderthals (if not being early homo sapiens).

[edit on 5-2-2009 by merka]


We're talking about is apes in general vs. humans.

Apes have brow ridges where humans have an open flat third eye chakra.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by Hollywood11]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by haika
Genetic proof of Atlanteans???
Beacuse as we all know, scientists know where Atlantis was (but they are all so mean that they don't want to tell us....a really secretive crowd huh?) and they were able to take samples of genetic material of these individuals.

(This is actually quite fun)

Hey hollywood, I'm still waiting for your answer on the pic of the apex of the Sun Pyramid in Teotihuacan and the Avenue of the Dead and what they have to do with caucasians.

Lucy was a hominid, btw.


What it shows is that historian's ideas of the past and the history of South and Central America is all wrong , whether it is the race of the people that had been there, or whether it is Pyramid culture.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Hollywood11

Originally posted by merka
reply to post by Hollywood11
 

Hollywood, are you arguing neanderthals or cro magnon? Cause you talk about cro magnon, yet you show pictures of neanderthals... Everyone (well except you) know that cro magnon where much more homo sapiens like than the neanderthals (if not being early homo sapiens).



We're talking about is apes in general vs. humans.

Apes have brow ridges where humans have an open flat third eye chakra.



Neanderthals have brow ridges and their DNA shows that we had a common ancestor just 500,000 years ago, They are called Homo Neanderthalis because they are hominins. Not apes

Are you disputing that scientific fact? If so based on what? Your opinion isn't sufficient.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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What it shows is that historian's ideas of the past and the history of South and Central America is all wrong , whether it is the race of the people that had been there, or whether it is Pyramid culture.


Hans: So its wrong because you say so? Your evidence above didn't show that all. Perhaps you should just tell us why you are making this stuff up and why you feel it important to spam this forum with it?

If you cannot provide actual coherent evidence what is the point of your posting?

Your rather otiose comments are amusing but irrelevant.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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You are absolutely right. It was an honest mistake on my part (hominins vs. hominids).



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