McCain speech discussion, before, during, and after, page 5
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reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 08:21 AM by Jemison
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic





McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time.


You need to look into that figure as it is something that Obama likes to tell people and then they go around and repeat it without knowing what that means.

I can't remember all of the details right now but those 90% votes were on unanomous issues and it was said that based on the formula Obama is using, he too could be shown to vote with Bush 90% of the time.

Seriously, dont' just let Obama spoon feed you lines like that. Do some research rather than just assume he is right. You may discover he is as misleading as most politicians.

Jemison


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 08:42 AM by nyk537
reply to post by Jemison



Well you are right. I'll find a source for this momentarily, but generally somewhere around 90% of all senate votes are unanimous as you said. So just about everyone can be said to "agree" with Bush that much, even Obama.

Well...maybe not Obama. I guess he could say that never taking an opinion on anything and voting "present" doesn't count. But that really doesn't help him either does it?



reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 09:21 AM by AndrewTB
Originally posted by Jemison
reply to
post by Benevolent Heretic





McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time.


You need to look into that figure as it is something that Obama likes to tell people and then they go around and repeat it without knowing what that means.

I can't remember all of the details right now but those 90% votes were on unanomous issues and it was said that based on the formula Obama is using, he too could be shown to vote with Bush 90% of the time.

Seriously, dont' just let Obama spoon feed you lines like that. Do some research rather than just assume he is right. You may discover he is as misleading as most politicians.

Jemison

I dont recall all the details either but its also for 2007 "I believe" and McCain only voted half the time.

This is just an a example, but lets say he only voted 2-3 times, it would be very easy to be 90% like Bush.


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 09:37 AM by jam321
reply to post by dariousg



He wasn't referring to his party. He was talking about the protesters that kept crashing his speech.

This is when his party started to shout USA USA.....

Somebody posted a thread about it here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 09:45 AM by dariousg
reply to post by Sonya610



I thought this may be the case at first but then I saw the video of the speech on the GOP website and it clearly shows people being shut up and some being escorted out of the crowd. Not people outside.

I want to make it a point that I am not trying to harp on McCain or the republicans here. I just didn't notice this at the DNC with Obama's speech. I am making it a point to listen to everyone for all parties including the Independents. That is what I feel a 'true' American patriot should do. Try to listen to all sides before calling BS.

It's not the fact that these people were voicing their concerns and then being shut up by the 'USA' chant that bothers me. It was McCain's response.

I listened again and his words were as follows:

"Please don't be diverted by the 'ground' noise and the static."

In referring to people who voice their disapproval with a point of view or statement in this manner it shows quite a bit of what he truly stands for.

Everyone (both sides) are speaking of 'unity' for this country. Of trying to bring people back together as 'Americans'.

This has been part of the message for many of the past elections yet each time it goes straight out the window once they are elected.

One who will so casually disregard people voicing their concerns in such a manner is NOT about unifying and listening to the voice of the people. He is about keeping government in charge. Period.


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:01 AM by dariousg
reply to post by Jemison



Yes, I realize that he was accepting his nomination. Like I said, the chants of USA by the supporters is fine. But he truly should have handled it differently. Not calling them 'ground noise and static'. Just trying to make a simple unbiased point.

There are better 'political' ways to handle situations like that.

If it were me, I would have still made it funny by simply thanking them for coming and voicing their concerns.

Silencing people by belittling them is NEVER the path that government should take. All voices should be heard but this country has a pretty violent history of squashing the dissenting voices. It appears that the same will continue with this man and Obama.

What we need is REAL CHANGE in the White House.

Edit to add: To make sure I was clear. I understand that there is a time and place. He simply should have handled it without belittling them in that manner. He has made comments like this in the past that have caused me to question how he views the general population.

Also, he made a remark about Iran that was very stupid in my opinion in an interview he had where he did a pink panther joke. Instead of the "What did the Pink Panther say when he stepped on an ant." He put the Iran twist to it and said "Babomb, babomb, babomb...." to the Pink Panther tune.

You see what I am trying to say? When he doesn't speak off of the prompter (just like with Obama), he makes some pretty stupid mistakes that actually let slip what their true thoughts and intents are.

I guarantee you that, with that stupid joke he made, Iran is a key target for him if he gets in. Regardless of the 'Intel' on them or not. We WILL go to war on yet another front.

[edit on 5-9-2008 by dariousg]


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:12 AM by dariousg
reply to post by Jemison



I'll give you that. It was simply (as I put it) my opinion. I am a student and fan of psychology so I like to look at things from the 'Freudian' slips of the tongue point of view at times.

Again, I'm not trying to slam him. I'm just concerned with some of the things he is saying when not prompted. Just like with Obama. Obama has said some things off prompter and then recanted or changed them a week later.

Generally what it means is that these people are saying what they truly mean and then have to do damage control later on. Happens all of the time.

Regardless of this down moment (in my opinion), I did like the rest of the speech. Like I said, he sounded more 'there' than I have heard him in previous speeches which is great.

I just could have done without so many thank you's in the beginning! LOL



reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 01:35 PM by poet1b
reply to post by DarkStormCrow



I think it should be noted that Cindy McCain is not a trophy wife, she is the one with the money. John McCain is her trophy husband. From what I have gleaned, haven't looked that much into it, looks like she pursued him when he was a naval officer.
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