Is pedophilia a sexuality?

Originally posted by jpm1602
rapin. You are one twisted sister girl. Let's say you have a child of your own. Some creepoid rapes and mangles it. You would not feel the sheer desire to extend justice at all cost?

You really creep me out.

Where did I say that? You are projecting your hatred for pedophiles on me because I don't view this as a black and white issue. By the way this thread is about all pedophiles, those who offend and those who don't, stop assuming everyone is referring to the first kind. I clearly stated in that post that "disturbed" you I was talking about thoughts, not actions.

[edit on 16-9-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

Basically it all comes down to consent, and since a minor under the age of sixteen cannot give their consent to anything, paedophilia, sex with someone under the age of sixteen, is a serious crime.
However, consider this! In some countries it is legal to marry at the age of twelve. It is quite common for someone in their late teen twenties, or even older to marry a girl of this age.If such a married couple then moved to Europe or America could you force our values, and laws, on the couple and announce the elder partner a paedophile?

Originally posted by FredT
The overriding question IMHO is what do you do with the offenders? Rebailitation does not really work in these cases and many are repeat offenders. Meghans law computers help to an extend, but as a society and as a parent what is the solution to those who act on thier feelings?

I agree FredT that is a big issue. Pedophiles often re-offend. There’s no getting around that statistical data, it means point blank that rehabilitation is not working, and in cases where it does possibly it is because of the sexual repressive hormones the pedophile has been put on or possibly they just haven’t been caught a second time. The success rate for keeping pedophiles from committing the crime again is at odds with the way we structure our justice system. I think firstly the penalties should be much more severe for first time offenders, even if their crime is considered a more minor form of molestation (like fondling) to the law. Then again some of these people sit in a jail cell for ten years and get out of prison and re-offend in less than a year, so if tougher sentencing doesn’t work it is very hard to decide what the hell we are suppose to do with these people.

reply to post by Mintwithahole.

However, consider this! In some countries it is legal to marry at the age of twelve.

I get what you are saying, in the United States less than a hundred and fifty years ago you could legally marry a twelve year old, and in fact thirteen year olds can even marry in many states here still if a parent gives consent. But pedophiles while sometimes having activities with teens because they are easy targets mainly are not attracted to teenagers. Pedophilia itself refers to someone who is attracted to someone who is pre-pubescent; so many pedophiles wouldn’t even consider someone even as young as twelve attractive.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


I hear what you're saying but I have to admit that, having a fourteen year old daughter myself, any sexual contact between an adult and someone under the age of sixteen is illegal. Therefore a court of law, at least here in the UK, would tar the adult as a paedophile. Thats why I said earlier that I would scrap the age of consent and strengthen the rape laws.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

Therefore a court of law, at least here in the UK, would tar the adult as a paedophile.

Are you sure the law labels them pedohpiles? Here is the states it simply labels them sexual offenders.

reply to post by SantaClaus

look, please don't take this the wrong way I am merely trying to help and was hoping someone else would tell yu this so I wouldn't have to.

It is painfully obvious to all of us reading this thread that you are speaking of yourself.
Reminds me of those questions sent in to Playboy advisor...

"I have a friend that is really embarrassed that he did this but..."

If you really have sexual interest in children I suggest you get mental help
immediately before you act on it again and ruin someone elses life.

please.

Originally posted by Fathom
reply to post by SantaClaus

 

look, please don't take this the wrong way I am merely trying to help and was hoping someone else would tell yu this so I wouldn't have to.

It is painfully obvious to all of us reading this thread that you are speaking of yourself.
Reminds me of those questions sent in to Playboy advisor...

"I have a friend that is really embarrassed that he did this but..."

If you really have sexual interest in children I suggest you get mental help
immediately before you act on it again and ruin someone elses life.

please.

That is a serious low blow. One can discuss such topics with out being a pedophile themselves. This social reaction is one many have, it is truly sad and something the OP pointed out post ago, and now here someone finally comes proving the Ops point.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

FYI concerning UK law.

If the child is 13 or older and consenting, the offence is classed as "unlawful sexual intercourse".

news.bbc.co.uk...

Of course that's if the father allows you to live.

Originally posted by dbates
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

FYI concerning UK law.

If the child is 13 or older and consenting, the offence is classed as "unlawful sexual intercourse".

news.bbc.co.uk...

Of course that's if the father allows you to live.

I think this comes from the same case that the BBc were dealing with;

Michele Elliott from children's charity Kidscape, which focuses on bullying and child sexual assault, said: "The definition of a paedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children.

"In this country we class this as children who are under 16.

"I think he is being irresponsible, we have been having this debate for ages. He seems to be only talking about child protection for those under the age of 13.

"I think he is misguided - it is not a grey area.
"

What chance have the courts got when the rules aren't even clear about the subject?
By the way, being a father, I agree totally with your sentiment.

reply to post by Mintwithahole.

What chance have the courts got when the rules aren't even clear about the subject?

Jeez, really. Forget about even the lack of clarity existing in sex laws, if you look in the US pay attention to laws regarding minors and young adults. You can not choose how to sexually interact with someone at age sixteen in many states, can not choose your sexual partner if they are an adult. Despite this I believe the youngest person we’ve tried as an adult and found guilty for murder was a thirteen year old who was eleven at the time of the crime and he got life in prison. Now this eleven year old who is not supposed to be developed enough mentally to choose his sexual partner when he becomes sixteen, is now rotting in a jail cell for supposedly committing a “thought out crime” and was supposedly aware of the consequences of his actions? Really does make your head spin.

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Sorry but i feel Rapin does know what she's talking about and seems very wisdomful actually.
Unfortunately sometimes its far worse such as in my case. Parents can also be paedophiles. How can you protect children from that! To remember the event that happened to you day in day out but kept the secret through shame, imagine growing up and learming about sex and realising what you can remember was really wrong but now was so long ago they have thought you have forgotten. To stop history repeating itself you find the courage to speak out to the other parent, but are shocked to the core with the reaction. Now wouldn't you think a Mother would have the urge to kill said Husband and possibly be vomitting through disgust and disbelief. I would have. What if the reaction you get is mild like its and obsticle and try theor best to excuse it, Outrightly say they would stand by their husband and maybe that the somethning should have been said at the time. Then manipulate the shocked and vulnerable victim into trying to keep it a dark family secret that they all can overcome. Shocking but true!
Imagine being the sibling of said victim and going to the police to get justice for her sister and give lengthy statement. Imagine getting death threats from family members for doing this. Imagine 4 months later and its af if nothing has happened and the father is still going about his day to day stuff as normal. A mothers love isn't always child comes first, the love for her partner could be stronger!

Okay, I read something awhile back that goes like this- 'The children You cry for today are the same adults You'll find reprehensible 10 yrs. from now.' Basically saying many molesters were molested themselves. Being molested changes who You are, who You're supposed to become. It stunts You, emotionally and mentally. Maybe those paedophiles who were molested have the same or not very far from the emotional/mental capacity of a child the same age as themselves as when They were molested. Maybe they seek out relationships with children because They feel more akin to them? They may find it hard to function in a relationship with an adult. I don't know really. If it (being molested) changes Your brain chemistry at a very formative age is it then a dis-order? Having a history with this Myself I've found it easier to deal with humanizing these people as much as possible. Figuring out why people do the things they do is what drives Me crazy some days. The thing is, some folks don't need a reason, they do it because they can. I don't see anyone anytime soon calling 1-800-IMAMLSTR for help. Society finds it much easier to condemn someone than reach out to them, especially when it comes to paedophilia. Who can blame them really?

Peace. K*

reply to post by MCoG1980


MCoG1980 The topic you brought up often doesn’t come up so I am glad you did. Yes many molesters are parents, out of every 100 molested girls 11 of those girls are being molested by father figures, mainly those who are living in the home with the mother present. I had a friend who broke down crying when we were watching a life time movie, the kind of movies we’d watch and mock together, when a character said her mother went back to her father who’d raped her because her mother “missed him”. Sadly this is how I discovered the same thing happened to my friend. I also read a book on incest for a child development class and there were many stories of fathers who even went to prison for their crimes coming back home and their wives forgive them more than you’d expect. Think about how the abused child must feel in that situation? It is heart wrenching to even consider their pain. The sad thing is things like that in this world happen and the only thing you can do to prevent them is report it if you suspect it, whoever the abuser is, even if the abuser is your own husband.

I am entirely with you on that, Even if its your own father and until the moment you were told were totally oblivious to this secret life of theirs, If the Mother refuses to acknowledge the severity then she is just as guilty.It is wrong on too many levels, the biggest being betrayal of trust and authority, followed closely by mentally and physically scarriing.

reply to post by Fathom


My God is that one ignorant assumption. Just because I feel that pedophilia might be a natural mental illness or predisposition and I feel it hasn't been properly studied, I must be a pedophile right??

So the fact that I vehemently defend gays and homosexual marriages makes me gay too? Boy, I should probably tell my girlfriend of over 4 years that she's been dating a gay pedophile.

I also have been involved in associations against illegal hunting in Canada. I must be a MOOSE!

Haha, think what you will, I certainly have no reason or intention of defending my mental or sexual health to a ignoramus who assumes so readily because of bringing up a taboo in society. I think that most of the people who joined this thread weren't so silly as to assume that. For the sake of ATS, I hope so anyway.

This thread is now 4 pages of people not distinguishing the urge vs. the act. I have come to the conclusion that pedophiles must all be sociopaths, so maybe the right thing to do is just exterminate anyone who even has the inclination. I would like to think that there's another path, but apparently there is no treating the disease.

Originally posted by mattguy404
No.

Sexual relationships are between a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.

Not in any way shape or form is an attraction to children a 'sexuality' - I'm not saying pedophiles don't need help, they certainly do, and it's worrying how society deals with this problem, but it's not a sexuality; it's an illness.

I think you mention yourself it's a disorder, and I don't think we can go so far as to call it anything else.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by mattguy404]

How about bestiality or necrophilia? It's obvious that your idea of sexual relationships is somewhat flawed and only reveals your more-or-less conservative ideas of what should be.

Sexual attraction towards children, same sex, animals, etc.. certainly is a "sexuality" if it gets your libido and emotions going. It fits right in with the definition of sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others.

If Aliens ever come down here for good, there will certainly be some sex going on between them and us (if it hasn't happened already). Look at Japanese Anime, there is obviously people who like the notion.

Any sexual orientation is only a disorder as it relates to normal society., don't get confused. Homosexuality was rampant and accepted in ancient Greece which usually involved an older male and a younger male youth; however it has only just become moderately accepted in America for "legal age" partners - and gay marriage is still illegal in most places. Pedophilia is rampant and generally accepted in many parts of Africa.

It is certainly telling that in our society, we have coined the term "Jail-bait" for an underage girl who is nubile/sexual. Legally, it is pedophilia. Medically, pedophilia is a disorder involved with being attracted to prepubescent children.

This is just another example of the reasoning that causes so many problems in todays society.
Seeking to understand and apologise for the heinous crimes the odious, evil people commit.

Sex crime of any kind is evil.

I suggest some people spare a little more compassion and understanding for the victims of these crimes rather than the evil, scum bastards who commit them!

A "crime" is an artificially created action that society warrants punishment for, so whatever it is you are saying has always changed with time and culture. I suggest we work to understand where and why the condition of pedophilia develops so that we can identify it and treat it in the first place. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

As a society, I'm sure we give plenty of compassion to children who are victims of said crimes. Just because we want to understand the criminal does not mean we ignore the victim.

Whats more, I recall some type of (Japanese?) computer animations e-porn that feature animated young children performing various sex acts. There was a story about it considering if it should be legal/illegal as freedom of expression because it was an animation.

Ah, I found it. It's called "Lolicon"

en.wikipedia.org...

That's probably your evidence that it's a DISORDER. People have spent countless hours drawing highly pornographic pictures depicting small children in order to get past laws... the same reason there is so much animated porn from Japan because real penetration scenes have to be blurred out since hardcore is illegal.

It's pretty sick too, if you look up that on google be careful cause it looks like there is some real pictures scattered around various sites... just a warning. My eyes have been burned.

[edit on 16-9-2008 by logician magician]

I'm sorry.

I find the defilement of a happy wonder eyed child the worst offense next to aggravated murder.

Do I wish to brush the offenders hair out and say there there little fellow.

I do not. I want to hear screaming when the devil goes down. That's how I feel about the matter.