Originally posted by WEOPPOSEDECEPTION
Yeah, they'll just give it out indiscrimatingly to anyone who asks, it will be all over the streets, oh my GAWD!

Well sure, any drug addict would fall for it as being vodka. Would this truly be the solution to solve all of humanity's problems? Maybe. Maybe not.

I would take a drink of that stuff, just before if I was about to die from a horrible torture. I would be like ha! I'm already dead 2 minutes ago, and you thought I was still alive. Terrorists will be all over this stuff, to escape a painful death, or torture if they are kept hostage.

If this bill gets passed I can't express just how wonderful it will be! Everyone should have the right to a peaceful death. Why should the terminally ill be forced to go to countries such as Mexico so they can make their own lethal cocktails?

We need something like this to happen in the USA.

Some of the comments in this thread are so silly, such as "what if someone put it in other peoples drinks!!!"

This is a prescription drug, and there are LOTS of prescription drugs that can kill someone in large doses. People suffering from a terminal illness usually get plenty of prescription drugs anyway, they should be able to stock up and if they wanted they could combine drugs to achieve the same effect (just add a plastic bag, one only needs to induce a state of unconsciousness, not death). And even oral barbituates are NOT guaranteed to kill in an hour, they cause unconsciousness fast but sometimes the deaths drag out for up to 24 hours. Plastic bags make a huge difference.

In the case of OR, its a lengthy ordeal, must be diagnosed as terminal and expected to die within 6 months by 2 doctors I believe, and they must be a resident of Oregon for 6 months.

But one VERY interesting thing has come up since Oregon enacted that law. Many of the doctors surveyed have said they have become MORE concerned and tried to be come more educated on PAIN MANAGEMENT because they don't want to deal with the ugly bit of patients asking for a euthanasia script. Imagine that, suddenly pain prevention became a big priority.

I also read the main lobbying group fighting this was working on behalf of disabled people. I guess they worry that if some poor person suffering an excrutiating death from bone cancer were to be allowed this option, then the next thing ya know we would all go crazy and start snuffing out every disabled person in sight.


[edit on 20-8-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by VIKINGANT
Not to put a negative on it though, but I would imagine there are doctors who for the right money will shortcut the requirements. I wonder how many of those who are prescribed this have the same 2 doctors?

I seriously doubt that, for two reasons. First of all I am quite certain if a doctor were offered a "bribe" they would be smart enough to think they were being set up and would soon face criminal prosecution.

Secondly there would be NO need for it. As stated there are plenty of drugs that can cause unconsciousness or death. Most terminally ill patients already receive one or more pain killers filled on a monthly basis. If they claim they have problems sleeping, or with anxiety they can add more strong drugs to the list. Sheesh if they take a good sized dog to the vet and claim the dog is having seizures they will soon walk away with a big bottle of phenobarbital. There are so many ways to go about it.

The euthanasia drug is symbolic more than anything, the same effect could be achieved in many other ways.

I recall reading the reports on the specific number of deaths over a few years, it was really low. Most that had the euthanasia perscription filled never used it. They just wanted it as a backup plan.


[edit on 20-8-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Shrukin89
My dear gawd. I can see lots of people dying in bars, parties because of this. Would that make them think twice before giving something like that to a guy who is a alcoholic? Or giving that drink to somebody else at a party that you hate?

I have seen a few of similar posts. Secobarbital is a drug that can be perscribed already. They are just giveing you a dose big enough to kill you. Like any perscription drug, you can get it on the black market. People can get it now and random people aren't dying in a bar. Ever heard of Seconal, used to treat insomnia? I guess we will have to worry about insomniacs killing random bar-goers too.

Edit: I guess someone made the point already.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by n0tsan3]

They should this use this stuff to deal with the homeless and immigration problems just put it in a whisky bottle and hand it out. That's probably the only moral use for it because suicide isn't and is just a way out for cowards.

I'd test it on a dog before I took it anyway it could be painful or something but really anyone who kills themselves will end up in Hell so it should stay Illegal

In situations that extremely painful, when in the later stages of a terminal illness, this is merciful. This does not go against the oath of a doctor, as a physician's oath should also concern itself with the dignity, quality and experience of a life that is already ending. However, I'm really concerned that this may mean family members forcing or taking advantage of someone, who according to a court may not be of sound mind and body due to their illness and medication. It would have to be offered only in the most carefully defined circumstances, or it should never even be an option.

Originally posted by ShamanatorI'd test it on a dog before I took it anyway it could be painful or something but really anyone who kills themselves will end up in Hell so it should stay Illegal

You worry the drug maybe painful huh? Sounds rather cowardly to me. It is also an extremely ignorant statement, obviously you know nothing about this topic or the drugs involved.

What you are suggesting is illegal, and for the record if someone such as yourself came anywhere near my dogs I would most certainly provide a solution for all of your concerns, and suicide methods would no longer be an issue for you.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Shamanator
They should this use this stuff to deal with the homeless and immigration problems just put it in a whisky bottle and hand it out. That's probably the only moral use for it because suicide isn't and is just a way out for cowards.

I'd test it on a dog before I took it anyway it could be painful or something but really anyone who kills themselves will end up in Hell so it should stay Illegal

There is nothing moral about poor bashing in any way. Its reprehensible and primitive. The poorerst of the poor are to me, the only ones who truly represent humanity. They are the worlds majority citizen. Also, since our troubles contribute to our souls advancement and growth, they walk the path of KINGS, and represent the hightest levle of SPIRIT WITHIN. What you do unto them you do unto your Creator. Lack of sharing and compassion is the opposite of soul's growth, so the entire situation looks very poorly on us, and shows the poverty of our own souls.

It's all part of the "Population Control" movement by our wonderful government. They want us all to die!! The government has said that the world would be a better place with only 10% of us left. Anybody that is disabled, old, sick, a criminal, or poor will become a target! We go to war for two reasons; to make money, and to kill off people. This new "Death Drink" is only the beginning. There's too many people in the world, and the government is sick and tired of paying for them.... Pretty sad...

Originally posted by Shamanator
They should this use this stuff to deal with the homeless and immigration problems just put it in a whisky bottle and hand it out. That's probably the only moral use for it because suicide isn't and is just a way out for cowards.

I'd test it on a dog before I took it anyway it could be painful or something but really anyone who kills themselves will end up in Hell so it should stay Illegal

that is exactly why i don't think doctors should be able to do this, at least not without special training and psychiatric evaluations and lie detector tests. I mean, if we don't believe that there are doctors here in the States, practicing doctors who think the same way he does, then we are fooling ourselves. it's scary. also, i never considered corrupt family members taking advantage, that is horrible, but it would happen, there are a lot of problems with this idea.

The government doesn't pay for anyone. We do. Society does. The government thinks it has the right to call its citizens money its own? I hear people talking about government handouts alot. Considering taxes exist, money that doesn't boomerang back into your town, your neighborhood and create civilized and caring alternatives for your world, is absolute highway robbery. This isn't about poor people, and the handicapped. This is to allow those who are in serious pain a more dignified way of ending their lives. It is not even suicide in my books, but an extension of hospice and treatment for an untreatable, agonizing condition. Not everyone will doing this willingly either, I might add. Many cling to life, and actually will not let go on their own, due to their family and unfinished business. My uncle stayed alive long enough to see his son married. Sometimes the terminal have to be told its okay to let go now, its okay, everyone loves you and is with you, but you don't have to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders anymore.