AboveTopSecret.com Video and Media Portal.Books, posters, and more.T-shirts, mouse pads, cups, and bags.Member podcasts.Conspiracy theory wiki.Alternative news headlinesBelowTopSecret.com - off topic and general chit chat.AboveTopSecret.com - conspiracy theories and


 

 

This topic is in the Origins & Creationism Conspiracy discussion forum.  (rss)


Tonight, live streaming debate - The world is better off without religion




Topic started on 18-8-2008 @ 08:37 PM by Horza


G'day all,

Tonight, 6.45pm Australian time, live streamed from the SMH website www.smh.com.au... will be the first of a six part debating series examining the question:

"Would the world be better of without religion"

SMH article

First shots fired

It should be a cracker of a debate considering the panels ... which I think are very nicely balanced.

The affirmative - that society being better off without religion - is Professor Vic Stenger. Professor of Philosophy and Professor of Physics, legal and ethical issues columnist for the SMH, Richard Ackland and former Australian Democrat Senator, Lyn Allison.

The negative - that society is better off with religion - Dr John Lennox. Three doctorates and a Fellow in Mathematics and Philosophy of Science at Green College, University of Oxford, UK, Professor Suzanne Rutland, Associate Professor and Chair of the Department of Hebrew, Biblical & Jewish Studies at the University of Sydney and Professor Ian Plimer, Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences at the University of Melbourne and Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide.

If those in the north are up for burning the midnight oil, it will be interesting and fun to have a "live" discussion right here on ATS while the debate proper is going on.

Of course ... we don't have to wait for them to start ... if any of you would like to start the discussion right now ... well. here's the floor ...

[edit on 18/8/08 by Horza]



   copyright & usage 
Click here for more Origins & Creationism Conspiracy topics
Hot Topics   |   Top Topics   |   This Week   |   Subscribe   |   Home


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 09:15 PM by Horza


Once each of the six debates have happened, I will put the link or the text here for you all to enjoy.

Personally, and I am agnostic and not a fan of religion, I think the affirmative is going to have a hard time with this one.

They have to show that all religious institutions and belief systems are detrimental to human society.

This isn't just about Christianity or Islam ... It's about all religion ... right down to tribal belief systems.

Yup ... they have a tough job.

edit - spelling

MOD - does this need to be moved to another forum? ... I realise that the topic is not specific to the issue of creationism ... possibly Religious Conspiracies is a better forum for this topic?



[edit on 18/8/08 by Horza]



   copyright & usage 


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 09:26 PM by Ravinsomniac


Yeah, there you go..
Instead of going to church on Sunday, just stay home and watch football.
I can see it know...
Everyone on their knees, praying to the almighty "Goalposts"
Instead of fighting over Religion, we can fight over who goes to the Superbowl !



   copyright & usage 


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 09:45 PM by GorehoundLarry


Originally posted by Ravinsomniac
Yeah, there you go..
Instead of going to church on Sunday, just stay home and watch football.
I can see it know...
Everyone on their knees, praying to the almighty "Goalposts"
Instead of fighting over Religion, we can fight over who goes to the Superbowl !



Maybe no one will be nailed to crosses or children blowing themselves up in the name of Allah.




   copyright & usage 
AboveTopSecret.com is advertising supported.


reply posted on 20-8-2008 @ 06:15 AM by Anonymous ATS


Having seen most of the debate, but missed part of the opening speaker's contribution (Former Senator Lyn ). Did you say that you would be posting the text of the debate? I'm looking for a transcipt...



   copyright & usage 


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 09:50 AM by Keeper of Kheb


reply to post by GorehoundLarry





instead they'll be nailing them to goalposts and exploding footballs. j/k Depends on which religions you choose really. There are a lot of religions that promote peace and love, then there are extreme religions that promote violence. I would have to say you can't throw all religion out. Its like the old expression don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Since this is just a hypothetical debate and we can talk about it, but realistically there will "ALWAYS" be religion and no matter what we do it will never go away.


Keeper



   copyright & usage 


reply posted on 24-8-2008 @ 09:24 PM by Horza


The SMH website doesn't have the video up yet ... as soon as it does I will post it here.

In the end ... I missed it! ... bugger ... so I will have to wait as well untill it is put up on the SMH site

Did anyone watch it?



   copyright & usage 


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:37 AM by Horza


Ok all ... here is the link ... apologies for the delay in getting it up!

Would the world be better off without religion?

It's 40 or so mins long ... quite a good debate

Enjoy



   copyright & usage 


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 07:28 AM by dave420


reply to post by Keeper of Kheb



All religions can be corrupted. There is no such thing as a "dangerous" religion and a "benign" religion - they are all inherently dangerous, as they allow people to act on behalf of a omnipotent silent partner, in the way they see fit, without anyone being able to tell them they're wrong. We've seen Christian terrorists, Muslim terrorists, Buddhist terrorists, Shinto terrorists - the lot. No religion is above being dangerous.



   copyright & usage 




















































ATS Server: www3.theabovenetwork.com
Powered by AboveTop:Board v2.3
Header data processed in 0.002 seconds
Page processed in 0.072 seconds
6 total database queries (1)









The Above Top Secret Conspiracy Community Web site is a wholly owned social content community of The Above Network, LLC.