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Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND
reply to post by eradown
My kids do not attend public schools, nor will they attend any American schools, until they start picking Universities. My daughter, 16 in October, is in a UK private school. My other daughter, 10, is also in a UK private school.
I would never subject them to the levels of hatred that I see in the USA, the so called "Cultural Wars", both in public and private schools alike...
Maybe that is one of the reasons the USA as one of the highest levels of teen pregnancies in the Western World...
Schooling prepars the child for the schedules needed in the real-world.
Public school much more closely resembles a work environment than does homeschooling, and when your kids get out of your house, they're still going to have to work to support themselves (and probably go to college to learn to do that.) Even if they end up with a work-at-home job, they are going to have to put in the time to get to the point where that is a viable option.
Originally posted by ScienceDada
A bit more on this... I can think of a plethora of CONs for homeschooling:
* Many homeschoolers are subject to budgetary constraints, limited equipment and resources
* Many homeschoolers must travel in order to be involved with vocational classes or gifted programs
* Many homeschoolers have only one (or a couple) really good teachers
* Many homeschoolers are not given the opportunities to take a senior trip
* Many homeschoolers get no flight time on the space shuttle or the International Space Station
* Many homeschoolers are almost never permitted to experiment with drugs or explosives in the bathrooms
* Many homeschoolers are rarely allowed to "sew their wild oats" with multiple girls simultaneously
* Many homeschoolers don't ride the bus to school
* Many homeschoolers cannot speak Latin, Greek, Russian, or Swahili
Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
Originally posted by ScienceDada
First on budgetary constraints, public schools get thousands of dollars per kid, and yet they were doing so poorly that George W Bush had to pass the no child left behind act. Yet there are smaller private schools that do better than public schools with less than half of the public schools budget. Curriculum's actually are not that expensive. If someone goes on the cheap, and uses more of an outline for history, science, and etc, there are plenty of free resources online and off line. Yes some home science experiments can be interesting.
Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
Home schooling position in summery:
Pro's: - Allows more personalized 1 on 1 learning
- Removes all disruptive social aspects
- Allows for stricter discipline of uncooperative or learning impaired children
- Special care for physically disabled children
- Control over all information allows for religious or revisionist indoctrination without external conflicts to contend with (Pro for those parents with such an intent)
- Temporarily lowers risk of developing substance abuse or causing a pregnancy when in doubt concerning competent decision making and/or grasp of common sense concepts
Con's: - Unable to establish a mature understanding of proper social relationships
- Shielded from vital life lessons used to develop one's individuality and self-identity
- Missed once in a lifetime experience that cannot be brought back
- Not given the opportunity to learn and grow from association with peers
- Lack of ability to relate to others the same age
- Vastly decreased opportunities to make friends and explore relationships in senior high school years.
- Not given the chance to fail and learn from mistakes in social situations
- Never given the opportunity to learn from multiple educators or receive the unique tools imparted by each
- Disadvantaged by having access to only a single, biased point of view
- Vast majority of parents lack any formal education in teaching
My parents never actually sat me down and went into detailed explanations about sex and drugs. What they did do was an extremely good job teaching me about common sense, making good decisions, morality and right from wrong. You don't need the specifics for each and every situation; simply the tools to bring to each of those situations as they make themselves apparent in your life.
Youths need to be confronted with all of these situations to grow as individuals. Sheltering them is more likely to have them make poor choices when met with foreign social interactions as the training wheels inevitably come off. It's infinitely better to make these mistakes young when you're still pliable and receptive to change. (emphasis added)
If parents want their kids to learn more in a specific facet of life, it seems intuitive to me that you would teach them this skill outside of school. There's no reason why school has to begin at 9AM and finish at 3PM with absolutely no learning taking place outside of this. I learnt all about finances and electronics from my Dad and my Mom and I learnt Japanese together.
Public high school encompasses some of the best years of your life and I would never deprive a child of mine of those social experiences.
People I know who have been home schooled just aren't the same; they never quite adapt to fit in with variable social situations. Most often, they take on the personality traits and mannerisms of their parents; which always comes across as extremely awkward and detrimental to their social well being.
Originally posted by ScienceDada
Wow. There you go. I see this as a completely ignorant viewpoint. But to each his own.
I draw the line when people like ANoNyMiKE attempt to force me to send my children to his public hedonism academies. I will cling to my guns and religion. If necessary, this means revolt or civil war.
Originally posted by eradown
With friends like you, public schools are better off with enemies. Honestly, I have never once met a person who thought it was a good thing exposing kids to drugs in schools. A growth opportunity! Yeah, for the bottom line of the illegal drug industry.
Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
Seems to me like I laid out a number of carefully thought out and thoroughly explained points; perhaps by ignorant, what you meant was disagrees with you. Hopefully you don't teach your kids to be so intolerant of others who do not share your opinion.