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Topic started on 13-3-2004 @ 09:57 PM by DeusEx
I just watched the film presented on this thread and I was rather amazed at what I saw. Taking everything with a grain of salt, I watched the video. Pushing aside the propaganda glaze on this doughnut of film, I watched the police and their reactions very, very carefully. Never mind the National Guard, look at the police.

Firstly, look at their riot gear. It borders on milspec. It's meant to intimidate, and to ward off protesters throwing everything from rocks to hand grenades. Is this how we outfit civil authorities? Now, look at their weapons. High- grade batons, ballistic shields, and semi-automatic grenade launchers. Judging by what I saw of this "black bloc", this was a bit much.

Now, look at the reactions of the police. They were ordered into bad situations, where they received constant abuse from less-than-civil protesters. They were stuck in positions where their options were limited- both by orders and by circumstance- to a point where they were antagonised and unabel to fufill their duties, reducing the level of morale and increasing anger. Alex jones said something along the lines of , "The police were like a rottwieller you've slapped around for a day on a short leash..." and that's not far from the truth. They were slapped around, and were loaded for bear. Now, when their masters let slip the dogs of war, how did you think they woudl react? they took their frustrations out on the protesters with excessive force. Watch the officers fire tear gas on a straight trajectory into the crowds, shot after shot. It started a chain reaction, where the average protester got angry and resisted, which made the police angrier, which escalated the whole situation. We failed to realize that these people were only doing their jobs.

Now, take this into consideration, namely because this is where the conspiracy part comes in:

1. The police are forced into action based on poor leadership decisions.

2. This results in a widespread view of the police being viewed as incompetent, barbaric, and not enough to stem the chaos.

3. The police have been suffering under cutbacks, outrageous aims, and continued public degradation in the media.

What, pray tell, is this leading to? Either privitization, or the militarization of civil authorities, neither of which is particularly pleasant.

Am I not correct? Is this not happening? Is this not possible, if nothing else?

DE

[Edited on 13-3-2004 by DeusEx]


reply posted on 13-3-2004 @ 10:11 PM by Scat

beauty.


I posted this on that earlier thread. Read everything I said, I'm not going to type it again but I will repsond more later.


reply posted on 13-3-2004 @ 10:58 PM by Scat
It is a step in the right direction DE....but the only problem is this (kill me for using a cliche!):
Seeing that the door is open and walking through it are two completely different things.

Now right here I could totally bust out with my Wednesday Window Theory. And I think I will! This is all what really happened, but I think of it all as symbols. So yeah.

I was kicked out of class one day for not having my stuff and just working on my zine instead of discussing A Tale of Two Cities. So I'm sitting outside the door by the window, with thoughts of taking off and skipping town racing through my head. I'd been packing my bag every day with the intention of leaving, but hadn't. So I'm sitting by the window just seeing how beautiful the sunflowers were outside, and how all I would have to do would be to open up the door and walk away...never come back. But then I thought that this would be like abandoning the problem, running away from something I was afraid of. So I decide, I'll just fight and grow the flowers in here too. Yet after this second epiphany I had a third. The reason that I wasn't changing anything, no matter how hard I tried, was because I had never been outside to see how it really was, I had never smelled the sunflowers.

How does this tie into police?

Whether or not you're a window smashing anarchist or a peaceful sign holder, you can't change an unexposed place without first being exposed. The kids like me, the kids trapped in no name towns with dreams and visions of revolution big enough to blow up the WTO, but that have never actually escaped from this prison, are fighting losing battles.

We have to get to the source.

Know the door is open, walk through it, and then bring a sunflower back inside.


reply posted on 14-3-2004 @ 02:19 AM by oconnection
Originally posted by DeusEx
I just watched the film presented on this thread and I was rather amazed at what I saw. Taking everything with a grain of salt...
Firstly, look at their riot gear. It borders on milspec. It's meant to intimidate, and to ward off protesters throwing everything from rocks to hand grenades...


I'm glad that my post actaully helped someone see what's going on. =)


reply posted on 14-3-2004 @ 08:55 AM by clearmind
speaking as a former law-enforcement officer.......i know exactly what you are saying. i have never been in a riot but close to it. basic law-enforcment response is to come in with overwhelming numbers, a show of force, that's one of the reasons why you always see 5-7 cops approaching a 'suspect'. show them that there are to many to even think about trying to take on or run away from. now in a riot situation, the cops are out-numbered so they try to look as big and bad as possible...use the 'badge' has a shield...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

one of the things i learned during my law-enforcing years is that police are just human. all the failings, bigotry and some compasion are there also. if you don't think that cops can and will take some of their..shall we say, attitudes..out on suspects..i got some land for sale in death valley for you. so..put cops, in riot gear, which they probably have not used or trained in more than a couple times, with 'less than leathal weapons, with their backs aginst a wall with orders to dissperse or contain the situation....people will get thumped on.

use the 'badge has a shield' mentality is very large in law-enforcement. back in the day we provided secruity for a large outdoor music festivale. music almost all day and camping, 8-10,000 people a day, for 4 or 5 days, easily 5 sq miles of ground. how many cops do you think patroled the area??? hmmm 50? 65? 100? 125? you better sit down....18 during the day...42 on a good night and that includes the big-wig officers who are in a command center.
now add some poor leadership, and the above mentioned points and what do you get...somebody is gunna get thumped on.

cops have a tough job and they THINK they are moraly and logicaly right in thier actions. but....... just because 'it's a law' does not mean that it is right or even truely legal
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