Originally posted by SilentGem
Sigh, perhaps I worded my self poorly but quantum mechanics is a fundamental branch of physics. It’s the study of the world on a very small scale.
It’s not something you apply to particles, perhaps you were confused by my use of the word ‘assistance’?
no, i was not confused, your use of the word assistance was spot on. you are talking about the spontaneous creation of particles using what? PRE
existing energy. and thats my point. the only way something happens is if SOMETHING happens to SOMETHING. whether you know what that something is or
not.
Science is not built on the fundamental concept of cause and effect. Science is built upon observations and experimentation. Your point here is
a non-sequitur. I’ll quote Wikipedia:
Scientific method refers to the body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous
knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method
consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.
you know alot about science and yet you dont know what causality is?
en.wikipedia.org...
I’ve already demonstrated to you that something can in fact come from nothing. Saying it is impossible does not make it so.
what you have is a phenomenon that happens involving pre-existing energy. take away the energy, the phenomenon disappears.
It is not. But we have evidence in nature of particles popping into existence from nothing. Alas absolutely no evidence has been collected to support
the existence of any Gods(s).
what counts as evidence for you? complexity of the universe? obvious design of the first life? dna? chariot parts in the red sea? perhaps precambrian
shells that cover the entire face of the earth (evidence of a global flood)? maybe prophecies that have come true? none of these count as evidence? i
can see you saying they dont count as definitive proof of god, but not even to count it as evidence?
Without empirical evidence I would say the probability for either possibility is equally low. How would you go about calculating such
probability anyway? The answer is you cannot, it’s just based upon human intuition, which has been proven to be extremely poor with numbers and
probability in general.
im going to take the book "war and peace", im going to take the binding off and then throw the pages in the air. i bet you 500,000 euros that they
will land in page order in the first 100 tries. would you take that bet? youd be stupid not to.
the probability of a god is at least existent. probability of a universe coming from absolute nothing = 0 to 0. impossible. nothing there, nothing to
cause. no cause, no effect. simple
The irony here is that theists cannot see the contradiction they are making by such a claim; If God is something then God can not come from
nothing. So to summarize it is a non-answer.
By making use of the scientific method we are increasing the knowledge and information available to humankind and as such more and more secrets of the
universe will be unlocked as time passes. This is a far more reasonable alternative than putting all your faith in a 2000 year old book written by men
for men.
anyone who suggests that god came into existence from nothing is an idiot. any logical reasonable thinking human being would be forced to admit that
something has to have always existed. whether that something is god or the universe.
