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That is exactly where I am headed at this point. Thank You. I hope people dont see this as an attack on religion, this is honestly my own struggle with my religion.
Originally posted by pureevil81
just thought i would throw in my 2 cents here, i recently came to the conclusion to just stay away from organized religion, completely. so many denominations and sects.....just make god your "religion" thats all you need. i have nothing else to contribute.
I have been a Christian all my life...
Dont be sorry for me, it has taught me many good things and honestly made me strive to be more kind. I thank you for the kind words and have always thought for myself, just never paid enough attention to the whole book.
Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
reply to post by shug7272
I have been a Christian all my life...
I'm so sorry.
I agree that there are many questionable passages in the bible. Plus, the old testament God and the new testament god are completely different.
The best advice I can offer you is to research many religions and come to your own conclusion. Don't let anyone think for you on this subject, and question everything to find more information.
I wish you luck in your endeavor! Here's to your awakening.
If God is all knowing and powerful why would he allow man to corrupt his word? I dont believe that it would be hard for God to get his word to us unaltered... should be easy for him. If he cant do that... hes not doing too hot.
Originally posted by Malevolent_Aliens
reply to post by shug7272
The bible wasn't written by God but by man and most of it has been altered/changed so many times that it is not even close to what it originally was when a prophet wrote it.
Hidden knowledge that has been kept from us creating a belief system for control purposes.
Even King James made his own version and changed the words of Jesus Christ and he was not the only one. (The elite bloodlines and rulers of the past reformed their own version of the bible in order to confuse and mislead religions and the masses to maintain control) Deep down inside you know what's right and wrong and stoning someone and having slaves, killing and torchering someone is just plain WRONG and not what a GOD of LOVE would want for us.
And god knew it would all happen before he created us... so why did he create us only to destroy us time and time again?
Originally posted by shug7272
******Various Quotes of Hatred, Violence and Murder.*******
Exodus, Chapter 32:
According to Genesis, God also tortures all women for eternity with painful childbirth. For her trangression of eating the fruit, God says to Eve:
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open."
********Various statments that 99.99% of Christians tend to ignore even though they would be the easiest to follow****************
Matthew 6:19, Luke 14:33, Matthew 6:24, Matthew 19:21-24, Matthew 19:28-29, Luke 9:23-25, Matt 13: 22, Hebrews 13:5, Phil 2:3, Acts 2:44-45
**********God is Sexist, he does not treat all equal (Remember this when you study the Bible, women should not speak)*********
1 Corinthians chapter 14:
1 Corinthians 11 (No more wearing hats)
1 Timothy chapter 2 (Women should not braid their hair or wear gold or pearls)
Genesis chapter 17 God says (God makes no covenant with women, only men)
In Matthew 25:1 Jesus says:
"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom."
In John 20:17 Jesus says to Mary:
"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father," as though the touch of a woman is somehow improper, but a few verses later, is happy to
have Thomas touch him.
In Genesis chapter 3,
God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam.
In Ephesians 5:22-24 we find this:
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body,
of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
In 1 Peter 3:7 we find: "Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker
partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers."
If you believe the story of Jesus, Jesus clearly knew that he is God. In John chapter 14, verse 8 we find this
Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet
you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father."
So it makes you wonder about Jesus' famous lamenation in Matthew 27:46:
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Which of course makes absolutely no sense.
**********Promises of prayer request fullfilment, I have prayed for my famlies and my own health many times.. never worked*********
Mark 11:24 is so simple:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
There is this statement in Psalms chapter 41:
1 Blessed is he who has regard for the weak;
the Lord delivers him in times of trouble.
2 The Lord will protect him and preserve his life;
he will bless him in the land
and not surrender him to the desire of his foes.
3 The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed
and restore him from his bed of illness.
In Mark 16, Jesus talks about the laying on of hands:
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who
believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it
will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.
But even more remarkable is James 5:15, where the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up.
If nobody is to work on the Sabbath what will happen in our hospitals and Nursing Homes? What about people needing emergency surgery. What about the people who
repair your electricity and keep your water clean and running? What is the punishment for working on the Sabbath? PUT TO DEATH!!!! Exodus 31:15 So you and everyone
you know should have been put to death LONG ago.
What should we do AS CHRISTIANS to others who do not believe as we do? Puclicly stone them TO DEATH. Deut 17:2-7 Sounds alot like another religion we consider
radical doesnt it?
What if a whole town does not believe in god? Well, Deut 13:13-19 tells us to Destroy the WHOLE town and Kill EVERYONE!!
I bet you can guess what we do to people who blasphemes the name of God.. Yup.. Kill em!! Lev 24:16
several things about slavery in the bible. - the laws where put into place to protect slaves (exodus 20:26,27) - people went into slavery voluntarily, kidnapping was prohibited. (ex 20:16) - provision was given if the slave enjoyed working for his master. (ex 21:5,6) - slave where to be let go after a certain amount of time. (ex 20:10. lev 25:10, duet 15:12) slavery in christian times was alittle different. the scriptures are simply saying that if you become a disciple of christ, then contiue to obey your masters. becoming a disciple of christ was not an excuse to run away.
So justice=violence..even death? Isnt that what other "radical" religions teach? Seems the same to me. Doesnt seem "kind and loving" at all. That is what was done to Jesus, he broke the laws and got his justice. I suppose that was ok. Not kind and loving at all.
there is a difference between wanton violence, and enacting justice. some isrealites even after selling miracles by god still decided to worship other gods. if you see the hand of god, and then deny it, face it, nothing is going to make you believe
Eve and EVERY WOMAN to ever live is punished with GREAT PAIN. That is the text book definition of torture... even evil. How would you like to tortured because your grandmother stole? Seems idiotic.
no, according to genesis, eve was suffering the consequences of her sin. so was adam. just like an experienced mechanic can tell you what will go wrong if you neglect a certain part of your car, why cant god, who created man, be able to tell them what will go wrong from their sin? remember, god said "you will die", not "i will kill you"
Why should a kind and loving being encourage torture and killing of people who dont believe in him? Even the children? Unborn children? Sounds satanic to me.
again, prophecy. when god was rebelled against, he released his protection. it goes without saying, why should protect those who dont love him?
Per the bible all of those Christians will not make it to heaven unless you believe a Camel can pass through the eye of a needle. Meaning you too will not make it to heaven assuming you own the computer you are typing on that makes you more wealthy than a vast majority of the world. VAST majority.
true, but remmeber, it is a principle not a law. matt 6: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. jesus is saying preaching is more important tha that Mercedes but you are right, alot of christians are hypocritical in this regard
Not true, the Bible says women should not teach period and should be silent in the church. If you are female and are teaching me about the bible you are sinning and spitting in gods face. If you speak in church you are spitting in his face and would be lucky not to be killed for it if the Bible sets any sort of precedent at all. As a matter of fact if you wear pants God "detests" you. Unless you dont think pants are mens clothing, which if it isnt I dont know what is.
women are not suppose to be teachers in front of the assembly. it doesnt mean they are supposed to be disgraced.
And if you prey with your head uncovered as a woman you have spit in Gods face. Again not looking good for entry to heaven. It also shows that man is held in higher regard than woman. Per the Bible you should not be discussing this with me if you are female. You should be submissive.
if a man being the head of a woman is something bad, than so should a man feel it is unfair to be under christ.
again, a principle, women should not draw undo attention to them selves. a woman dressed immodestly isnt typically a religious person
Doesnt matter what I advocate at all. The bible makes no covenant with women and seems to care little for them. God doesnt even seem to mind if you make a covenant with him or not if you are female. God made the rules not me, it wouldnt have to be female circumcision to be a covenant. God made that rule.
are you saying you advocate female circumcision?
It is holding women up as a sexual object of desire. Not to mention it sounds ALOT like another "radical" religion.
i dont understand how this is sexist, he's refering to the saints and thier bride like relationship with him.
Not today, not exclusively. That is now considered to be the job of man and woman. But women still take the pain as punishment which is text book definition of torture. Seems both should have been punished with something that would last for eternity and sense god can see to the end he knew women would be working. Doesnt seem like an even punishment.
considering men dont give birth, id say that makes sense, but adam did walk away scot free. read the next verse  And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;  Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. dont men struggle to provide for their families?
You completely skip over the first part about being submissive. Why should woman be ruled over by man? They are not equal? Well the answer to that is no per the bible.
so women being respected and loved is a bad thing?
The Bible specifically says ask and you shall receive. You shall be raised up from illness. It doesnt say it MAY happen, it says it WILL happen. But it doesnt. You cant say its Gods plan because he promises you in the bible he WILL heal you, not I MAY heal you if it is PART of my plan. My Aunt and Uncle were good Christians and my uncle died at the age of 53 from cancer after 2 years of torture. The whole church prayed for him often and nothing was done. The Bible lied. He was prayed for and not healed. The same happens to the VAST majority of Christians that get sick, even children. There may be a miraculous recovery at a rate of 1/1,000,000 but that hardly fulfills the words of the bible.
even jesus' miracles of healing were temporary, they were a foreshadow of what will be done in the future. one must also be serving god with truth, john 15: If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. in order to abide by jesus, one must study the bible and come to accurate understanding, close personal relationship with god is also needed. sometimes though, god chooses to refuse a request. 2 corinthians 12: And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.  For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.  And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Then you rebel from God just by owning a computer and your other riches that could help the poor. Again the punishment for working the Sabbath is death by stoning. There is NO IF AND OR BUT. So that means anyone who needs surgery or any form of help on the Sabbath is just out of luck... or they are damning their saviors to a death by stoning by asking them to work on the Sabbath. If you have ever worked on the Sabbath you should have been stoned to death, and since you werent you should cut off your hands due to the fact that they caused you to sin by working with them. You wont do that either and will spit in Gods face with your defiance.
matt 12: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.  And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?  How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. jesus was showing that the pharisees were hypocrits and missed the spirit of the law. the sabbath is where people were suppose take a day, stop working for material gain and worship of god. the religious leaders turned it into this cruel and hard tradition. as for stoning, people who did not observe the sabbath were forsaking the covenant they and their forefathers made. think about it, that is what sin is, its rebellion from god.
Still sounds like another "radical" religion to stone people to death that dont agree with you. Not kind and loving at all.
duet 17:2-7 is not refering to the nations, it is referring to isrealites who are "transgressing his covenant", apostates.
A man is a man, no matter what title you give him. It is a disgusting act that you are defending.
again talking about apostates, not men of the nations.
You are misleading others as to what the bible says which will probably need a stoning for punishment. That is not true. It says any man who blasphemes the name of god. Besides, thats what STREET GANGS do. If you want out YOU GONNA DIE!!!
again, people who promise to serve god, and then dont, and actually go against god.
No you are giving it your own meaning. The Bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. Period. It doesnt say anything about alcoholism or the other stuff you go on about. IF IT CAUSES YOU TO SIN CUT IT OFF. I guess God knew people would not like this because he reinforces it by going on to say it again with your foot and eyes as an example and NEVER SIMPLIFIES IT. Makes you sin, cut it off. EVERY christian should have no eyes as EVERYONES eyes cause them to sin at least once in their life.
you mean to tell me that you cant understand the meaning behind this scripture? let me illustrate, a man is alcoholic, it ruins his life (make him stumble). he has to quit, but its really really difficult (like cutting off his arm). but he does that it doesnt ruin him.
I understand perfectly. God made his words VERY clear but yet you chose not to follow them as they are. You want to change them and twist them which the Bible says not to do. Every thing in my OP is pretty clear cut yet you dont want to face it. There is no lack of understanding, only denial from what I can see. The Bible IS THE WORD OF GOD AND IS PERFECT. It doesnt need YOU to change it or tell others the meaning of it as it is pretty easy to read. Just read it and do as it says which no Christian does (myself included, I refuse to stone anyone to death and if you do too then you spit in the face of God as that is what HE said should be done). They step around things they dont like, they change things and ignore others. You are not to interpret the Bible but to read and follow it. It seems you are the one who does not understand.
Miriam has stepped up and made some points. All of the things this soul has brung up comes from his lack of understanding.
Originally posted by pureevil81
just thought i would throw in my 2 cents here, i recently came to the conclusion to just stay away from organized religion, completely. so many denominations and sects.....just make god your "religion" thats all you need.