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Why don't they tell kids what makes drugs really bad?

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posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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Drugs can make you hallucinate and not all are habit forming.

If you eat enough pot cookies you will hallucinate. It's great!

And no addiction. Double trouble!




posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 11:39 PM
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I would personally not want a school to teach my children about drugs. That is my place, and not the place of a school. Just like I don't want a school teaching my children about sex, religion or politics.

It would be nice to think that by the time I have children, certain substances will have been made legal anyway.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 12:45 AM
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I was taught lies about marijuana.

Namely that it's physically addictive and that it causes brain damage.

Which are lies. There are better reasons not to do it.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:10 AM
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Everyone seems to be referring to illegal drugs but the fact is drug abuse happens with legal and illegal drugs. Many drug awareness programs do not stress this enough. The word "drug" refers to many types of chemicals including alcohol, aspirin, cold medicines, marijuana, coc aine, etc... There needs to be more education about legal drugs and their dangers.
Also, much of our drug education is one sided and concentrates on the illegal drugs. It is important for children to know such information BUT it is equally important for such info to be correct. Our current system fails in that regard. There is much disinformation about many types of drugs and it is up to each individual to be responsible about drugs, legal and illegal.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:34 AM
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I am afraid i totally and utterly disagree with you. It is completely up to the individual to research the effects of any powerful substance that they chose to ingest.

It is not up to the damn government to tell you there effects. There are also many reasons that the government want people to buy drugs. Because they reap a lot of the profit through the illegal sale of them. CIA traffic large quantities of drugs, this has been proven in the past. Like large quantities of coc aine coming back in sealed containers which had contained nuclear weapons. Therefor bypassing the strick regulations, as the containers have valid reason to be sealed etc.

More to the point, there would still be a spin on it, as is with everthing the government does. Also what do you thing this would achieve? PEople experiment as they grow old, and drugs SHOULD be a part of that. I would advise any one wishing to try a drug to research it first. Many good sites out there have vast amounts of knowledge and information on drugs, and provide un biased information. www.erowid.org is arguably one of the best.

I am tired of the fuc*ing government telling people how to live their lives. when to do this, how to do it. Why should the government educate people to protect them? I find people who say, omg i would never try heroin, or i would never do that, purely programmed into a fear state. That is what the government uses to control right? fear? Ofc. well, that junky, is injecting an almost identical substance into his body, as you would get for pain relief post op or for serious pain in a hospital, only hospitals gonna be cleaner, and 99.9% pure.

also I disagree with you saying that addictions are something that people cant control. and that the people want to give up but they cant. end of the day that is really an excuse. You can give up, but many addicts, and believe me I have talked to a few, have simply no will to change. those who live on the streets become habituated from the lifestyle. and kick the junk? who will employ someone like me, possible criminal record, etc etc, its hard enough to get a job any way these days.

It is up to the individual, and putting more fear into the hearts of the youth by telling them stuff like, smoking crack can make you aggressive and violent. well yep, but then so can being stuck in traffic for 5 hours with litttle kids whining in the back. Stress and diet is much as a problem in causing patterns of disharmony in the body as a drug.

why the hell not smoke crack weed, inject heroin, as long as its done safely, and doesnt affect yourself or others around you.

what you should be asking is this;

WHY DOESNT THE GOVERNMENT START TEACHING OUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE ALMOST INCOMPREHENSIBLY DEEP, EXPANSIVE, WEB OF DECEIPT THAT HAS BEEN VEILED OVER THE MINDS OF THE POPULACE FOR AS LONG AS ANYONE WOULD CARE TO REMEMBER?

you know what i would not be the person i am today, or anywhere near as knowledgeable or as spiritually in touch without the drug experiences i have had. I dont think one can learn much from coke or heroin, but psychoactives and herbs plants, dissociatives, there is much worthwhile and meaningful experiences to be had. remembering moderation of course.

Ah i feel i have said enough. peace.




posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:36 AM
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ur right dude, some people destroy there lifes through the drug that the doctor has prescribed. tranqs, codiene based pain killers. coffee, alcohol.

end of day in the entire world. alcohol is the big one. causes most problems.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:40 AM
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if thay were gonna be 100% honist about the effects of drugs thay would have no choice but to legalize weed. most of what thay say about MJ is based on lies! so theres one reason



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:45 AM
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If people knew more truthful information about drugs they would be less likely to do them.


i think quite the contrary. i think you should actually experience drugs for yourself, and a large range of all available, and then make that judgement again.

get through your fear boundaries



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:48 AM
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I don't take drugs


so what qualifies you to have an opinion on them?



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:59 AM
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You are completely correct with questioning this loose labbeling of drugs. They all have very different effects, and some are completely undiscernable in that from another.

You ask what drugs we have in the UK, well I would say like most countries the most heavily circulated are weed, coke, heroin, ecstacy, and '___'. However, it is possible to get substances such as ketamine, amphetamines, though a large difference is that unlike in the US where you have areas of predominant meth amphetamine use, this is much more uncommon in the UK.

At the end of the day it is who you know, however I would like to point out a drug which is unscheduled/controlled in I believe all countries of the world. Which is the Datura plant. If i remember correctly devils trumpet in US is a nickname. Google this plant, it is a delieriant. On erowid.org you can find trip reports. this thing is absolutlely mental in its effects, beyond all imaginable. And its legal, so you get kids 15 years old finding out about it and picking some in the wild and ending up in psych units. Lol. nvm.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 03:46 AM
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The drug propaganda in schools is just that, propaganda.
They lie about brain damage, lie about damaged chromosomes, lie about lung cancer, the list goes on.

Does the school mention that the government has spent $70 Trillion dollars on the "War on Drugs" since the 1970's and has utterly failed to prevent drug use and only catches 10% of drug imports annually. Do they teach the DEA gets billions of dollars annually to eradicate wild hemp which is totally useless for the purpose of getting high.
Do they mention in the D.A.R.E program that they get millions annually and are complete failures at the task they are given?
Do they mention that the Partnership for a Drug Free America gets billions annually and studies have shown their commercials actually INCREASE drug use in teens because they make drugs cartoon and they are full of lies that a five year old can see through?
Nope. Too embarrassing to admit total failure.

How many of the teachers drink coffee...a drug?
With sugar...a drug.
Or diet soda that turns into a formaldehyde...a deadly chemical.
How many of the teachers smoke tobacco or enjoy a beer...drugs.
How many of the teachers have to take a pill once or more a day just to stay alive, get an erection, or avoid panic?

The goal of public education is to create working class slaves, nothing more.

In the end, if you want to know about drugs, then do research, you'll find there are a number of a chemicals out there that are extremely interesting and attractive.

Someone said drugs are a fantasy, no thats wrong. Drugs might be pain relief, extended intercourse, self realization, or just a 'lift' from the monotony of life.
The experience is real, as real as a roller coaster, only it lasts longer and costs less.

If you expect schools to teach kids anything useful, you will be disappointed.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 03:50 AM
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The system is lame. It is created to divide us early, smart kids, druggies, stupid kids, sports lackies.

Thats why in my state of truth on the precipus, I dispise the state of my fellow members of the human race who choose ancient blindness rather than new sight of our inner universe and intellectual powers using frankly the earth grid as our magic wand so to speak.

They want uninitiated dolt worker bees, they want a handful of chosen elites and super elites determine what is and isnt in a world of mass direction and control. easily maliable and manipulatable to the masters hands.

but we all love it.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:58 AM
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i think quite the contrary. i think you should actually experience drugs for yourself, and a large range of all available, and then make that judgement again.

get through your fear boundaries


i have to agree...ive tried countless things and yet MJ is the only thing i come back to..ive had alot of fun and alot of good times, most of those were one time things in the name of science if you will...



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:03 AM
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I'm surprised with how many people think that people should research the dangers of drugs independently. There are people without access to internet and without access to a local library who would suffer without the lack of appropriate knowledge about drugs. I believe that drugs are bad and those who say that they don't cause addiction, who have said that they have tried them themselves, have probably been affected by them in some way or another. It's a matter of getting honest information out. I believe that since not everyone can get access to this information on their own that they should at least learn truthful information in school. Their parents may not even know the dangers of drugs and their parents may be uneducated and not able to help them.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:09 AM
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yeah, thanks but i wasnt really asking. i know what drugs you have there. you kinda got my point at first but then took it a little too seriously. i was joking as in you must have a whole other world of drugs there where they can all fit under one label and all still have this vast plethora of side effects and repurcussions. why arent there sarcasm tags yet?



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:26 AM
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just FYI, There are sooooooooo many things like Datura that are legal. There is a simple reason for that. They have not become a social or legal issue for enough people. No one is stealing or murdering for them. No one us usurping the IRS in any manner more harmful than teenage lawnmowing businesses. Datura, specifically, has a bad habbit of killing people with the strictnine in it and all so it just doesn't catch on at parties. Erowid is lots of fun but there is a lot on there that is just plain wrong from a medical standpoint and anyone can contribute their "experiences." When it comes to legal highs, they are everywhere but there is a reason they are still everywhere and everyone is not abusing them.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:31 AM
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The problem is that if you tell the kids that drugs will affect their judgement, they will tell themselves that it won't happen to them and that they'll still be able to control themselves even if they can't . It's the same thing with alcohol.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by selfisolated
Drugs are baaaaaad, mmkay?

That was pretty much my drugs ed in school. Oh, and if you take drugs you'll get nasty diseases like HIV/AIDS, and you'll turn into a hardened criminal to fund your habit.


Thats pretty much how I was taught aswell. That and I would end up homeless if I chose to take drugs...

I have tried a few things, coke, speed, extacy, dope, ketamine and sniffed poppers... Its nothing to be proud of and shout about. But i'm not ashamed of it either. Some i've used a lot like dope, coke and extacy while others i've only used a few times like ketamine and speed. Mainly because I didnt like the buzz. All of this was just a regular thing socialising with friends. All of which including myself have jobs (some well paid) and a few with their own place while others are still living with parents. And none of them including myself have became addicted, lost jobs, or became homeless through any of this. Drugs for me and people I know have always been something you can take or leave. I think you have to be quite a weak person and unhappy in your life to become addicted. But thats just my opinion.

Personally i've been clean from all of it for over a year, just by choice, not because my life was going downhill because of it and I felt I had to. But becasue all drugs are bad for you, whether its alcohol, cigarettes or whatever. It all does damage one way or another...

I think the main thing that confuses people in the UK is that you can buy seeds legally in a shop to grow dope. But it is illegal to actually grow it. Or the fact that you can go to Amsterdam and legally get high as a kite! But you cant in the UK. Even in some states in America you can legally buy dope in a shop (for medicinal uses). Which asks the question, is it really that bad!?



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:46 AM
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umm they taught me all this in PSHE (Personal, Social and Health Education for those that wondered).the teacher (whos a great teacher by the way) just told us the effects,the consequences etc and case studies and told us to make our own minds up about drugs.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 06:11 AM
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that is truly cool. what grade did you take this class and in what part of the world exactly?




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