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I quite agree that the bible has not been changed greatly however that still does not detract from the fact that whatever bible you read from has some sort of error contained within.
Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by shihulud
my point is this the bible has not been changed enough to take away the main point it originally had and we have some of the oldest mss in the world for translating in the bible so they are very reliable and probably never changed... only the translations were... and heres youre answer to :
This is likely true but as I said whatever bible you read from.
this should be of merab not of michal who had no sons (6:23) merad the daughter of saul and sister of michal was given to adriel and she bore him 5 sons(18:19) some copyists in ancient times made mistakes of substituting merabs name for michal. so they are talking of a dif person.
That would be quite hard for the NT as it was written in greek plus its quite hard to go around reading who knows how many bibles or commentaries of the verses concerned. Then there is the problem of each commentator etc having their own different viewpoint so you really don't get to the truth.
before you give me any more contradictions regarding people by name make sure you look at the origianl hebrew name or the history of this verse
Quite true I really don't have the time to read all these bibles and correlate the errors contained within and yes I do read other versions but some say one thing, some say another and some add or subtract bits to make it conform. What to believe becomes a moot point.
for some reason i think that these are not contradictions you learned yourself because they are not well reasearched. its almost as if you dont read the verses before and after the verse that aleggedly contradicts another. any way research your contradictions if you got em of a site or even if you have gotten them yourself
I think you mean OLDEST Hebrew and Greek mss, however the oldest are not the originals, so even these mss contain errors in some form or other but as we don't have the originals to check it makes things that wee bit difficult.
Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by shihulud
thank you again for explaining your viewpoint i diddnt really understand it and to answer your question i think the inflalible bible is the collection of the youngest hebrew manuscripts and greek maanusripts etc the original language of the bible makes it quite understandable and not contradictory at alll again as i said... its only the translations that are wrong.
While oral history might be reliable to an extent there is usually embellishment, items added or taken out.
Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by shihulud
oral accounts were and are very reliable ... th jewish people had a very good memory and many other things look on th e internet about jews oral historuy and the reliability of it
Oh yes films are so reliable in there content - how do you see Zeitgeist or the god that wasn't there? As for errors, your faith must be blinding you to the glaring errors contained within the bible e.g. What was Jesus last words? How did the author know exactly what was said between Mary M and Jesus in Gethsemane if they were the only 2 there? Who conquered Hebron Joshua or Caleb? Death of Judas? Mathews mistake in the prophecy of Jeremiah (Matt 27:9-10) when it was instead it is found in the book of Zechariah 11:12-13 and not Jeremiah. etc etc etc
.. there is also a movie"case for christ" that talks about oral tradition and how reliable it was even though it is more on the NT.... and i have yet to find an error in any scripture... they are always easily cleared up when you look at what is actually said etc etc.
SO how can todays bible be infallible if it contains so many errors? What bible today is infallible? Plus you HAVEN'T given any satisfactory answers to the previous contradictions.
so yes even tehe bible we have now is infallible because there is not one bit of nontruth or are there any contradictions in it... ive answered all the questions youve had so far about the contradictions.
Originally posted by shihulud
Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by shihulud
No errors!!!!!! You believe what you want, I see the facts as they are.
okay