It's a Frackin ' Cracker!

reply to post by dunwichwitch


The symbolism is based on the last supper, Jesus said this bread is as his body, and the wine was as his blood. It was meant to symbolize the sacrifice he made. The wafers are sort of like use reenacting the last supper, with the entire bit supposed to remind us of Jesus' sacrafice.
That said, all I got from it was I liked the taste of the wafer, and it symbolized the end of mass. I always got a kick out of "The mass is ended let us go in peace" "Thank be to God" Bit myself.

Originally posted by MacSen191
Oh jeez! Maybe he didn't feel good and didn't want to eat it and puke all over or something? Maybe he suspected them of posining the crackers?(Not likely, just my weirded out thoughts.... lol.)

Catholics would'nt use communion wafers to poison people. He must have gotten a wafer with an x on it. The people who give wafers and those who recieve it are in a bit of a trance. I think on occasion I have said amen before the giver of the waifer said "this is the body."This usually caused the person giving the waifer to shift out of the trance momentarily. Usually people at Mass don't pay that much attention to each other. Catholic masses are packed to the point no one pays that much attention to each other.

Originally posted by anyone
Imagine if he collected a bowl full of them and ate them like "Christ chex." -using the words of comedian Dane Cook. What do you imagine his punishment would be then?

I prefer the terms "Jeezits" or "Christ Crispies", but yeah. I support the idea of a breakfast cereal that contains 100% of your USDA recommended daily salvation.

I can picture the commercials now: "It took 100 bowls of Protestant Lucky Charms to equal the amount of saviour in one bowl of Cookie Christ!" And talk about fiber!

reply to post by JoshNorton


And for those watching the calories we could have...

'I can't believe it's not Jesus'

But, anyway, has anyone mentioned yet that it's just a frackin' cracker?

Just another mindless Catholic bashing thread.


1 - It's NOT a 'cracker' .. it's The EUCHARIST - the Body of Christ.
John 6

2 - Even if you do not believe that it's the Eucharist, then be respectful and call it what it is - a Holy Communion Wafer.

3 - Once the priest presents the Eucharist to the communicant it is NOT his to do with as he pleases. Catholics are to consume the Eucharist in the presence of the priest. They are NOT allowed to walk off with it. This is taught to every Catholic. When a Catholic receives the Eucharist he/she is supposed to be in communion with the Church and it's teachings ... not stealing the Eucharist is one of those teachings.

4 - This person is a thief and therefore I do NOT take his word for it when he claims to have received death threats.

Originally posted by Solarskye
I understand that the cracker is a symbolic body of Christ to the Catholic's,

No. It's not 'symbolic'. To the Catholics IT IS the Body of Christ.
He is fully there - Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

As I have said before .. you all mock what you don't understand. :shk:


:shk: Just another ho-hum day at ATS with those who dont' understand anything about the Catholic faith but like to bash it anyways.

[edit on 7/13/2008 by FlyersFan]

The Church might be afraid the person will take the bread wafer and use it in a magical ritual to create a powerful potion that could open up a worm hole into the after life where everyone will try and escape the realities of our Walt Disney World existence! He could have mistaken them for nachos and went looking for some cheese whiz. We may never know.

reply to post by Crakeur


Catholics must eat the "cracker" -- I call them Jes-Itz -- In front of the priest.. there is a ritual in hand placement or the priest can put it on your tounge -- for the old schoolers -- and it would be quite obvious if you just folded your hand and walked away.

To me it's hilarious .. I seriously must question what he was going to do with it.. take it home, put it in a baggy with 100 other Sundays worth of moldy Jes-Itz?

The Catholics are right to consider this an "incident" ..

The people who don't think so happen to be incredibly dense.. you cannot just throw someones religious beliefs on the floor and not expect them to be upset.

Have a little more understanding people.

Bah! It's no more theft than my using a cheese sample given freely to me to rub in someone's face.

It might be against church rules, but it's not theft - he was freely given an item. Also, these crackers are commonly taken from the church in little pyxs (and hankies) to give to those who can't attend (I've heard quite a few funny stories about these crackers from ex-catholics).

The student might well have been physically 'assaulted' if we want to worry about law. As he removed it from his mouth, someone tried to physically remove from him an item he was freely given. He then removed it from the church. He broke no real laws, just a bit disrespectful. He would probably have eaten it after showing his buddy.

Even ignoring the supposed death threats (PZ Myers got a few for even threatening to desecrate a cracker), the response from catholics has been way over the top - taking hostage? Kidnapping? Hate crime? Asking for him to be expelled? And then suggesting PZ should be removed from his position for writing a few words? The kid was a bit of an ass, but the response again shows the irrational wackiness of some religious people, and it should be highlighted.



[edit on 13-7-2008 by melatonin]

Thanks for all of your comments. Yes I think it was disrespectful in a sense, but not unlawful. The church just needs to banned him from ever coming back if they didn't like what he has done. I'm wondering what Jesus would have done? Would he threaten his life? Would he tell him to never come back to the church? Or would he have said, " I forgive you " and then tell him a story? Either way this just goes to show how hateful religion can get, even over a Frackin' Cracker!

Originally posted by Solarskye
I'm wondering what Jesus would have done?

That's easy. He would have said - "follow the rules of My Church that I established (Matthew 16:18) and be RESPECTFUL of My Body in The Eucharist" (John 6).

Seriously - at the very least He would have said to be RESPECTFUL.

a Frackin' Cracker!

Question - would you all go out and get a gang of people together to go collect up all the Muslim Qu'rans that you could find just to rub them in piles of pig poo based upon your belief that the Qu'ran is just a book?

When you continually refer to The Eucharist as 'a freak'n cracker' that's the equivalent of what you are doing to Catholics here. Just FYI.

Respectfull and polite - 'holy communion wafer'.
Mocking and ridicule - 'freak'n cracker'.

To use your words, Solarskye, I'm wondering what Jesus would have done? Polite or mocking?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Solarskye
I'm wondering what Jesus would have done?

That's easy. He would have said - "follow the rules of My Church that I established (Matthew 16:18)

I thought Jesus said in Matthew 16:18 " And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."

and be RESPECTFUL of My Body in The Eucharist" (John 6).

And in John 6 he said " He asked this only to test him, for he already had in mind what he was going to do."

Seriously - at the very least He would have said to be RESPECTFUL.

Yes he probably would.

a Frackin' Cracker!

Question - would you all go out and get a gang of people together to go collect up all the Muslim Qu'rans that you could find just to rub them in piles of pig poo based upon your belief that the Qu'ran is just a book?

I respect the books, but it is just a book. And some people would kill for the book, cracker, cross etc...

When you continually refer to The Eucharist as 'a freak'n cracker' that's the equivalent of what you are doing to Catholics here. Just FYI.

That's Frackin' Cracker! and that's all it is. It's symbolic to Catholics and should be respected, but it's still a cracker.

I would be more respectful if Religion would quit killing in the name of GOD or Jesus and start respecting other lifes.

It seems that the pz myers 'frackin cracker' pharyngula
link was removed early last week at the University of Minnesota;
Who removed it?

In the lastest escapades of Paul “Frackin’ Cracker” Myers I found that all links to Pharyngula, where Myers recently promised to film and blog himself desecrating the Catholic Eucharist, have been hastily removed from the University of Minnesota (Morris) website.

Thanks to Google Cache and also The Wayback Machine we can see that these links were there not long ago. What we want to know is who removed them. Was it Paul “Frackin’ Cracker” Myers himself who removed the links in an effort to protect his job or was it the University of Minnesota that removed them to protect itself from Myers? Either way, someone is trying to distance the University of Minnesota from Paul “Frackin’ Cracker” Myers’ personal blog.

Something else that should be investigated is if Myers is using the University’s computers and networks to manage his personal blog, to compose things like the desecration of the Eucharist blog entries, and otherwise leverage taxpayer and tuition funded resources to carry on these activities.

[edit on 14-7-2008 by Clearskies]

reply to post by Clearskies


I would have thought it was the University doing so in an attempt to reduce the volume of the incessant whining from irrational wacky catholics.

Not all are so irrational and wacky, of course. But Donohue does take the biscuit...

This really is the insane kind of duality that makes organized religions dangerous. I bet all the catholic students attending the mass, plus many of the other complainants have no trouble watching Homer Simpson ranting about ´Jebus´...

Catholic Fundamentalists? Please no...

Send money to Criss Angel.
Fund a mentalist.

Originally posted by Psychopump
This really is the insane kind of duality that makes organized religions dangerous.

Aye, and CS shows it in shedloads - 'burn the heretic!'

Amazingly, whilst again being a bit of an ass, he did nothing unlawful. However, the people sending him death threats are. But, of course, the integrity of the cracker must be protected!

Another good example of christian love today:

HYDERABAD: Christians across the State strongly protested the publication of an objectionable picture of Jesus in a Telugu daily on Sunday.

Publication of the picture triggered an attack on the office of Sakshi daily in Chirala town in Prakasam district and demonstrations in Nandyal, Guntakal, Anantapur, Guntur, Ongole and Bhimavaram. Copies of the daily were set ablaze in some places.

linky

Wait till they hear about a prof. who threatened a magic cracker!

reply to post by melatonin


Hey, hold up!
I'm for burning heretics? Are you kidding?

Let me tell you, (as you probably already know) I come from a long line of the protestants who WERE burned at the stake for not accepting transubstantiation.
I still don't believe our tax dollars should be spent on anti-religiousity.

[edit on 14-7-2008 by Clearskies]

Originally posted by Clearskies
Hey, hold up!
I'm for burning heretics?
Let me tell you, (as you probably already know) I come from a long line of the protestants who WERE burned at the stake for not accepting transubstantiation.
I still don't believe our tax dollars should be spent on anti-religiousity.

Not literally, heh.

But you are just adding to the noise calling for his head (not literally).

Firstly, you don't know whether he did this on uni time, indeed, it is unlikely as school's out for summer. Secondly, even if he did, he did nothing wrong. It is his own blog which is not on the university's servers, if he spent an hour writing it up in his office, it would still be nothing of concern. Academia is not some 9-5 grind job where every minute of your day must be accounted for and spent serving the Man, and personal internet use is forbidden. If he used the university's computers to do something unlawful, then that's another game altogether.

But he didn't.

ABE: the furore rumbles on...

Catholics consider the consecrated wafer, the Eucharist, among the most sacred objects in the world and believe it becomes the 'Body of Christ' through transubstantiation.

Student Government Senator Webster Cook filed the hazing charges with University of Central Florida administrators shortly after he admitted violating church rules by bringing the Eucharist home from Mass on June 29, then holding it hostage for one week in a plastic bag before returning it.

Cook said his hazing complaint cited a UCF anti-hazing policy banning the forced consumption of any food in which the initiation or admission into or affiliation with a University of Central Florida organization may be directly or indirectly conditioned.

The rule, presumably, was intended to prevent fraternities from force-feeding pledges disgusting food, but Cook said the rule is clear and applies to all UCF clubs, including the Catholic Campus Ministries religious group. He insists the group is guilty because members ordered him to consume the Eucharist to remain at Mass.

linky

[edit on 14-7-2008 by melatonin]

Has religion slowed us down from accomplishing greatness? Or has people let their minds wonder into the imaginary world? Religion scares the pooh out of me and I will not let my mind believe in what man has said and written. This story is only one in a million reasons why I stay away from religion. Now that doesn't mean that I don't believe in a higher something out there. Joining groups like the Catholics and others blinds you from seeing all sides to the human equation and I feel they miss the true point of life.

The hosts are "handed out freely," but people forget the intention here. It is a re-enactment of the Last Supper. The priest or minister giving the host first says, "The Body of Christ." The person receiving the host then says, "Amen." There is an understanding, then, that the person receiving the host believes that this is, in fact, not a "cracker" but Christ. The person is NOT free to do with it what he or she wants. To keep a host, refuse to consume it, refuse to give it back, or send it to some strange biology professor to desecrate it -- these are all moves that are antagonistic to what is called the Sacrament of the Eucharist. Now this professor announced he has received some of these hosts in the mail. This is so very sad. Perhaps some people don't realize that people have died for what we call the Eucharist. This would include St. Tarcisius, a Christian youth who was stoned to death by a pagan mob rather than let them see the Eucharist he was taking to minister to the sick. I am a Catholic, and if someone put a gun to my head and said, "Allow me to desecrate the Eucharist or I will blow your brains out," then I would choose death. I know some of you don't understand this, but many Catholics would say this. Yes, I would voluntarily give my life rather than see the host desecrated. Yes, it means that much to us.