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Army Spc. Jeremy Hall was raised Baptist.
Like many Christians, he said grace before dinner and read the Bible before bed. Four years ago when he was deployed to Iraq, he packed his Bible so he would feel closer to God.
Military Ministry says its staffers are responsible for "working with Chaplains and Military personnel to bring lost soldiers closer to Christ, build them in their faith and send them out into the world as Government paid missionaries" - which appears to be a clear-cut violation of federal law governing the separation of church and state.
"Young recruits are under great pressure as they enter the military at their initial training gateways," the group has stated on its web site. "The demands of drill instructors push recruits and new cadets to the edge. This is why they are most open to the 'good news.' We target specific locations, like Lackland AFB [Air Force base] and Fort Jackson, where large numbers of military members transition early in their career. These sites are excellent locations to pursue our strategic goals."
Mikey Weinstein, the founder and president of the government watchdog organization the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, whose group has been closely tracking Military Ministry's activities at Fort Jackson and other military bases around the country, said in an interview that using "the machinery of the state" to promote any form of religion is "not only unconstitutional and un-American but it also creates a national security threat of the first order."
A six-month investigation by MRFF has found Military Ministry's staff has successfully targeted US soldiers entering basic training at Lackland Air Force Base and Fort Sam Houston, with the approval of the Army base's top commanders.
"I've said it before and I will say it again," Weinstein said. "We are in the process of creating a fundamentalist Christian Taliban and somebody has to do something to stop it now."
Originally posted by Karlhungis
I served in the military and I never saw a single case of religious discrimination, ever. I think this guy has people wanting to hurt him for other reasons and he is using his religious beliefs as an excuse to get attention, and it is working.
There are plenty of Muslims who serve in the military and if anyone would get discriminated against, you would think it would be them, but they don't either. Even during Ramadan when they have to fast all day, no one ever cared. As long as everyone pulls their own weight, no one cares what religion you are.
I have discussed this with other military members and former military members and everyone I have talked to thinks this is BS.
Originally posted by BlasteR
This case isn't just about whether or not someone felt offended by another religion in some way. This guy was given death threats to the point where the military actually gave him a full time bodyguard and sent him home early from Iraq. If this guy really was discriminated against in any way (regardless of what anyone thinks), and there is some kind of evidence to support that, (which they probably wouldn't fully disclose anyway at this point) this guy has one hell of a federal court case..
Originally posted by Conspiriology[/i
Yeah and I'm saying I don't believe a damn word of it moreover I don't have a problem with those Christian groups in the military spreading the gospel. They don't put a damn gun to your head. As soon as i saw the ACLU was involved then that is all I had to see. The story, the way someone asked him if he still didn't believe in Jesus after his humvee was attacked, Gimme a break guy, their are lots and lots of atheists in the military and This one just happened to be so strong an atheist or for some reason his Atheism was so damn hard to accept he started getting DEATH THREATS! He was soooooo unacceptably atheist he had to be led by BODY GUARDS! Get REAL!
I know what this guy is doing and he will lose his case ipso facto and yes he is an instigating whining wussy mouthy arrogant bitch who most likely didn't know when to shut his bootcamp noob mouth when he started makinhg fun of Jesus and calling him the flying spaghetti monster, disrupting fellowship with his latest googled contradictions of the Bible and pissed em off so much they wanted to kill em
That I can believe because I have seen it happen that way. All this merely because he is an atheist?
Too far fetched but it makes a good case among many the ACLU will use to rid the Military of every symbol, sign, cross, bible, prayer time, moment of silence, chaplain they can possibly effect. That is why this guys case got so much damn attention and why his case sounds so much like the last ones because to prove a case like this you have a protocol where such violations have to be worded just right and a list of events have to have happened to prove the case on the grounds his civil rights are being violated.
As for an atheist not whining?
GuFAW!! That will be the day
Originally posted by BlasteR
That's like saying who cares about islamic extremists because they won't put a gun to your head.
There may have been a time when that was true.. But it sure as hell isn't today. You may not see evangelical Christians killing people right now but the situation in the Western world is nowhere near as grim as it is in the middle east right now. But humans have ALWAYS killed other human beings over religion and spiritual differences and today is no different. Any human being will kill another human being if pushed to their limits. And within a religious sect or ideology that is pushing it's own agenda and willing to blur the line between church and state, human killing could easily be justified in the name of God if they are pushed far enough.
The reason this troop was treated like this was not because of the degree of his atheism. He was not "so atheist he had to be led around by bodyguards". You are completely missing the entire point... This was probably a unique situation with unique circumstances. He was, therefore by legal terminology, discriminated against because of what events transpired.. And if, by your post, you are trying to justify a death threat in the name of god then so be it. That just proves my point!
Originally posted by zerbot565
thou shall not kill ,
all them in the military killing and what not in gods name
are just as idiotic as the next fellow beliving in a holy book
that forbids killing even in the name of god and doing the total opposit
acturly the army should praise atheist for not wasting the militarys time
on hocku pockus when its real lives you are to protect and not the thought of god