Originally posted by Question Fate


Bad idea, you open that door and everyone with a differing opinion on anything will see that regardless of whether a thread is bad or good, will get shuttled off the front page. Don't lke DD's threads? Just vote them off where most people wont see them, regardless of whether or not he has evidence in the thread or not.

Well i dont think they should be voted off, just another way to express your opinion using the flag system.

What do you think?


[edit on 7-7-2008 by Denied]

A friend of mine recently was telling me about something he saw on one of the largest web forums, people were organizing to create a large, or the largest worldwide UFO hoax. He wasn't sure but he felt the number of people involved was somewhere between a few hundred and low thousands of people. I don't know if this will extend to alien visit hoaxes or such, from the way he described it, their plans were more to release multiple balloons with leds on, chinese lanterns, and such things, more a real world hoax than online, but it's worth considering that these people may be up to other stuff.

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
My thread is a real event, that really happend, to real people with as much information as we could possibly give with the limited available to myself and my wife.

people came in, got mod censored, didn't like it and started the parody.

The person making the second thread actually got censored and his entire post removed from my one for being way off topic.

Dude, give it up. holy crap

I highly doubt it's a game. I had something happen to me last night as well, a repeat occurence of something that has only happened 3 other times in my life. I dont know what to make of it, but all you so called debunkers need to crawl back in your hole. If you experienced something like that who would you turn to? The police? Would you meticulousy collect evidence? This site is a joke for feedback since its so polluted by thick minded idiots when it comes to this sort of thing. Who should I tell... friends family? Should I tell a doctor? A psychologist? This sort of phenomena is not fake, we just arent savvy enough to understand it as the way we are. The constant debunkers only make it worse, and leave me feel disenchanted. I am going to make a post about what I experienced last night anyway. Feel free to come on there and call me names or crazy. Maybe at least one kindred soul will read it and care.

Originally posted by darkelf
We need a new forum category on ATS. Whenever someone makes claims like this, it needs to go to the HOAX forum until the OP has provided definative proof. Once this has been met, the thread can be moved to the applicable category.

Terrible idea - a person who has a real experience would never post in such a forum....you rarely get the forensic evidence you need in brief brutal encounter with humans let alone anything else....such a forum would be a waste of server space...

Originally posted by dedalive
I highly doubt it's a game. I had something happen to me last night as well, a repeat occurence of something that has only happened 3 other times in my life. I dont know what to make of it, but all you so called debunkers need to crawl back in your hole. If you experienced something like that who would you turn to? The police? Would you meticulousy collect evidence? This site is a joke for feedback since its so polluted by thick minded idiots when it comes to this sort of thing. Who should I tell... friends family? Should I tell a doctor? A psychologist? This sort of phenomena is not fake, we just arent savvy enough to understand it as the way we are. The constant debunkers only make it worse, and leave me feel disenchanted. I am going to make a post about what I experienced last night anyway. Feel free to come on there and call me names or crazy. Maybe at least one kindred soul will read it and care.

Then what should people do? Ignore it? If he didn't want attention drawn to this, he should not have posted in on an Internet board. Worse, he posted it on a board where debunkers hang out and try to make sense of the myriad of ridiculous claims made every day. What we he expecting, honestly? Do you think everyone should just believe him on faith?

In my opinion, the only was things will come to light, be disclosed by our governement, get folks educated, make people more aware of what's going on, is to truly study it. Since our friends from wherever they hail are not so considerate as to be more helpful with producing solid evidence for us, it falls on us to investigate these incidents. What's the point of this board? Is it a magical place where we swap stories? I don't think so. It's a place where people try to study and get the truth of matters.

If someone make incredulous claims, they should be prepared to produce incredible evidence.

As it stands in this case, you have a fellow who amazingly was able to stab a fish creature over 100 times. Do you realize how implausible that alone sounds? Even when I was in great shape and was involved in martial arts, I can't imagine a frenzied bout of 100 blows. You are exhausted over 10 or 15. And have bruises to match, if they are as violent as he claims. I came away from each sparring night with a lot of bruises, and a lot of exhaustion. I doubt Dan is a profession boxer or martial artist.

Then he produces "proof" in the way of some very minor scratches—I've gotten worse trimming hedges. He should be bruised. He should be battered. He is not. A creature which bleeds a thick orange blood-like substance, after the fray is able to not only survive this unlikely attack, but clean up completely afterwards. Not a speck of the blood anywhere. Does that really seem rational to you?

Would an alien really have handy the technology to 100% remove every trace of blood from the blankets, Dan, the knife, the walls, and anywhere else it go? Most especially, consider if you are grappling on the carpet. It is ground into the fibers. They were able to completely remove it from the carpet.

The reaction, the creature, the attack, the creature living, the reaction of the victim afterwards (and the following day), the lack of evidence, the electric eel attack, all of this sounds very implausible. It's not just one weird event. It's a series of incredulous claims. And none have been backed up. I think the state of UFO study actually is in dire trouble, when people just take stuff at face value, and are NOT skeptics. This field demands solid study of events, it's the only real way the truth will be discovered.

Are people "competing" with hoaxes? Whether they are or not, unless they make a critical error, there is no way to prove it, so there is not much to do about it.

Sorry guys. I didn't mean to drop this topic, but today was busy.

Everybody seems to be raising some interesting point.

Thanks to everybody who pointed out these threads are in Skunkworks and carry exceptions. I'll keep that in mind in the future.

I have probably flagged and starred a handful of posts so I'm not at all familiar with it work. We could raise this issue in the Board and Business forum I suppose.

(Okay guys you guys are making me feel like I need to go back to freshmen forum here.)

I wouldn't discount the idea this may be a game. So far nobody from the higher ups has said it is not.

I'm hoping no one perceives this as an attack on either of those threads. It should be just third place to discuss them together and separately; a place to compare and contrast, if you will.

I still visit both those threads so this is nothing personal against either of the OPs. If anything both threads prove people come to conclusions based on their standard of proof. Amazingly simple concept which remains hard to understand simply because people are people. Some have rigid standards; others have flexible standards.

My second thought is if something like this ever happened, would I share it?
After some thought, I'd say yes. I'd hope to handle it like Wrecking Crew, with some humor.

A thick-skinned person would be better equipped to handle the adversity and the detractors, I suppose.

I'm not sure I could answer every question, but I do know "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer rather than try to fill in the blanks.

But that's just me.