Competing Hoaxes? Is This an ATS Game?, page 4
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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 01:17 AM by Bunch
reply to post by Minnesotawreckingcrew



I stand by my comment, look I have had no time to check your story and dont think will be doing it any time soon, frankly what you have to offer is not my cup of tea, if I want to read a story or watch some good sci-fi, I can get that at Borders or Blockbusters.

After following this thread:
I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials TOTAL REPLIES:7089, thats as much story telling that I would ever endure on this site.


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 01:26 AM by Minnesotawreckingcrew
reply to post by Bunch



You can choose to shop anywhere you want to for your sci-fi, drama, horror, chick flicks, or whatever.

That fact is that you can lable my event with what ever you choose, I never asked you to read or contribute to my thread only unless you have something positive to offer me. So that being said, I do respect your opinion.

If it's a negative opinoin if you do change your mind to enter my thread, that's ok as well.

This is all an open forum.



reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 05:10 AM by bloodcircle
Originally posted by roadgravel
Originally posted by maria_stardust
... It isn't a hoax until the ATS powers-that-be officially declare it a hoax.


Shouldn't that be 'it isn't labeled a hoax until the ATS powers-that-be officially declare it a hoax." Just because a group believes something does not make it factually true. This would imply that anything on a given website, not denied by that website, must be the truth or at least close to it.

I am not sure what to think of either of these incidents. Guess time will tell.



Generally, that is true, but the *HOAX* hammer doesn fall around here unless actual evidence towards it's necessity is revealed. Such as when someone arrives claiming to be so and so from such and such, which is then queried by TPTB who then can verify yay or nay the veracity of said post. Case in point, the recent "Hello Im John Titor." post, which was verified not to be him, and therefore labelled a *HOAX*.

No one can label anything a hoax, unless they have proof.

So Id suggest a "Potential Hoax" subforum, where things are evaluated to determine the outcome.

Should the OP refuse to answer questions, or deny queries, put people in ignore for valid opinions, etc etc, then the post remains there.

If the OP comes forward with Verifiable evideice that satisfies the statements put forward, its moved to ATS where the stigma of uncertainty is removed, and the post is then left to valid discussion. This would discern betwen the many disingenuous threads made and the genuine ones.

Finally, if the OP back tracks, side steps, or evidence of their claims are found showing to be patently false, then the *HOAX* labes is applied and the thread either moved to skunkworks, BTS or locked, depending on the intent of the author.

That surely is fair.

In a place where people put foward astonishing claims then innocent until proven guilty, but unsure until proven otherwise? surely.

just my 2 pennies.

(edited, bad grammararas)


[edit on 7/8/2008 by bloodcircle]


reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 12:55 PM by firegoggles
reply to post by garyo1954



Please read my last post in the thread "violent encounter with alien being".. there is actually earmarks for this one not being a HOAX but because everyone has a tiny world view they want to brush it off. Read my post on page 56 or so it covers a few key points everyone is ignoring because it doesn't fit into there world view. Oh I will acknowledge it could be a HOAX for sure. But there are things presented that to the researcher with years of experience reading thousands of cases will in fact perk his ear up to...just read my post so I don't have to repeat it all here.

Thanks,
FG


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 01:16 AM by v1.01
Originally posted by garyo1954
reply to
post by JesterMan



For example in the Violent Encounter with an Alien Being thread, the OP has denied the idea he acted as mad, a maniac, and even a murderer. Yet, in his own words, he says he stabbed it countless times and then....


It opend both palms, held its hands open palm up, and then just started to wobble and fade in and out. . . .but this thing was getting away so i tried leaping on it again.


Go look at Byrd's avatar for an example of what he is saying here.

This creature is showing his hands, the universal sign of surrender. This creature has given up, he's defenseless, wobbling, in and out. And this guy goes and leaps on it again with the intent of murder?

Yes, I can see why a person would call him a maniac.



when i first read the thread about the fishman i was shocked not to find any posts pointing out what a psycho killer he is (if the story is true).... what if that was his father or friend in a costume playing a joke?


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 06:15 PM by nexusmagazine
Originally posted by firegoggles
reply to
post by garyo1954



Please read my last post in the thread "violent encounter with alien being".. there is actually earmarks for this one not being a HOAX but because everyone has a tiny world view they want to brush it off. Read my post on page 56 or so it covers a few key points everyone is ignoring because it doesn't fit into there world view. Oh I will acknowledge it could be a HOAX for sure. But there are things presented that to the researcher with years of experience reading thousands of cases will in fact perk his ear up to...just read my post so I don't have to repeat it all here.

Thanks,
FG


I agree. I have researched scores of such cases, and there are certainly many indications that he is not hoaxing, and that this is actually a genuine case.

I do not expect those who have not met, or interviewed, or researched other alleged cases of this nature to agree - but then what would they know about such things anyway?

Duncan


reply posted on 14-7-2008 @ 11:09 PM by garyo1954
reply to post by lovepens1



I don't have an answer to that. I do know ATS doesn't arbitrarily ban someone without notifying them of the reason. If he feels the ban was unwarranted, I'd suggest he email SkepticOverlord, or post a question in Board and Business.

To stay on topic, I'll say I liked minnesotawreckingcrew. We took jabs at each other fairly often in the thread and in a few u2us as well.

And my 'asinine' questions were leading up to a layout of where he was when it began and where he was when it ended.

He says he was in the television room sleeping when he heard loud tongue clicking noises down a straight 30 foot hallway to his bedroom. Whether that noise would disturb him at that distance, I can't say. But from what he told us I get this:



I don't know if the window was in position A or B. But from his description it had to be one of those positions. How?

First, we know all windows are on outside walls.

We also know it wasn't on the same wall as the doorway he entered.
And we know there are closets on one wall.
That leaves only two places it could be.

Finally, we know he said he only had one window in that room.

So, my next question was whether these were single story units which he never got to answer.


reply posted on 14-7-2008 @ 11:33 PM by lovepens1
reply to post by garyo1954



Hey, found it. It's on page 12 here where he posted the pics and said second floor

www.abovetopsecret.com...


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 12:28 AM by lovepens1
reply to post by garyo1954



I think if you look at the angle. It's obviously from him looking downward to the right. Not straight out and down to where your diagrams suggest, but probably dead on. minnesota didn't seem to argue that at all.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 12:35 AM by garyo1954
reply to post by lovepens1



I can't answer that.

My experience has always been if you have something to post, just do it. If there is a controversy about it, Mark/Bill or one the mods will notify the OP and close or delete the thread.

I'm happy to answer questions about the things I was doing in investigating that thread, but other than that, I'm clueless.


reply posted on 15-7-2008 @ 08:22 AM by lovepens1
reply to post by garyo1954



I think i'm pretty sure the OP of that thread never said anything I like in 24 hours hours I'll show the world. etc, etc.

He seemed pretty genuine about giving us all the information as soon as he could. The copyright the was a little bit out there, buy hey, if that's what they wanted to do then I dont see anything wrong with that. Looks loke he was shut down right before the info. came. Then he got pissed at ATS and Viceversa.
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