Obama and the Socialist Ideal

Obama is nothing near a Socialist. He had a Communist mentor (if thats correct) but that doesn't make him a Communist/Socialist.

Oh and if Capitalism is working wonders, why are tons of people losing their houses and are struggling to make ends meet? Fluctuating markets and constant recessions are good? Sure it may increase the standard of living, but it's also a catalyst to bringing Socialism. Just like how feudalism paved the way to Capitalism.


One question for Semperfi or w/e, Would you rather live in a Fascist or Socialist nation?

Obama in that video really sickens me when he speaks to AIPAC saying we need to fight to secure Israel's borders. The same Israel that is expanding and taking control of the Middle East, the same way that a certain Fuhrer did to Europe?

This is an example of an Obama "flip-flop over-correction". One week prior to Obama's BS about supporting Israel, he stated that Israel was "like a sore in the ME".

Obama never uses his own words, because he can never come up with any. Obama repeated what a Hama's leader said about Israel and that it was a sore in the ME, not even a week before that.

Once learning how this did not bode well with America on the whole, Obama quickly switched up and came out supporting Israel. Now he just goes overboard with the Israeli support issue.

Obama will redistribute YOUR wealth but not his own. Most wealthy people, including himself, are part of what is referred to as an "Annual Minimum Tax" or AMT credit. It means the wealthy having this clause are to be taxed no more than in the past or up to a certain ceiling rate defined by AMT.

You will be punished for your hard-work, but Obama will not despite his shady real estate dealings and those Senators' that support him with all of their shady real estate dealings (i.e. the Countrywide Scandal etc.).




[edit on 29-6-2008 by jetxnet]

reply to post by semperfortis


what a total idiocy..what has the Great Lord Bush done for you lately or the country as a whole..nothing. What makes one think John "Short Fuse" Mccain is any better than the idiot presently in the white house..

reply to post by jetxnet


How convenient for republicans to suffer from amnesia, maybe this explains the hypocrisy flying around from McBush supporters.

McCain is the biggest flip flopper of em all Jetnex and his buddy Bush with his 8years mismanagement further indicates the hypocrisy coming from the republican party and its supporters. Atleast McCain was honest about his lack a knowledge over the economy, most republicans prefer to BS their way into the white house and then we find ourselves in this mess. As far as I can see it Obama intends to end this $200 million a day war that is dragging this economy down and further more he intends to change the current policies in Washington that have FAILED this nation. If you want to defend 8years of Bush and another 4years of Bush policies, go ahead, but dont try to play it down for what it really is and will be.

As for Obamas change in stance towards Isreal we all know that if you want to be elected as POTUS you must be a supporter of Isreal. What I dont understand is why Isreal should be treated as the innocent nation? There were plenty of palestinians who suffered and were unfairly treated and removed from their lands to which they had been on for centuries, why should the palestinians be totally responsible for this mess? Just because it states in the bible that Canaan is jewish land does not mean everybody has to believe it or agree with it and it doesnt make Isreal completely innocent of its wrong doings. BOTH Isreal and Palestine and the other arab nations are to held responsible for the current mess in the middle east.

Its conservatives like you that turn a blind eye to this fact and you happily ramble on about your own belief system thinking its all right, you neglect other cultures and belief systems and the otherside of the story. Why dont you atleast try to be impartial because the world does not revolve around conservative ideals.

By the way, who said "hard workers" arn't suffering now? Your quick to jump the gun and start making accusations about what you think will happen under a democratic presidency yet you again neglect whats been going on under a republican presidency.

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It's not about culture. It's about not having the government control everything. If that is uniting of the cultures where everyone becomes dependent on the government just for a low-level welfare playing field, then that isn't good for competition which creates for better quality products and services.

The democratic party has had control of Congress for two years now. In that two years, they managed to screw up the economy pretty-good in terms of Mortgage Lending etc., which is the major domestic catalyst for what is becoming a crippled economy.

It is no wonder many democratic Sentators are part of the Home Mortgage Scandals, including Obama before any of these major scandals.



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reply to post by OrangeAlarmClock


I disagree - I would much rather have economic policy that heavily taxes the upper 1%. Like Dwight Eisenhower, R mind you -- taxation rate for the wealthiest was 90%...

Our country had the greatest economic growth in history this a fact! 1950's

1981 was the year our country was least in debt!!!-- read your self!

tried and true!

Compare this approach to Reagan Bush Clinton and baby Bush - All these presidents lowered taxes on the mega rich ( yes Clinton did to -4%)-

YOu pay more per $ taxed then Bill Gates--??? Why???

These past 30 years have been mostly in the red. Reagan started this backwards concept.

A money giveaway to the rich , killing off citizen service programs = the biggest economic down turn in history ??? and this is good policy?

This is and has been a fascist economy, miles right of the greyest areas of socialism!

We need a change, you guys have had 30 years to screw us up or fix it - time for something new!!!

If the right were offering Eisenhower I might think you had a point- but your not!!

Heres a graph , per the government!

zfacts.com...

I applaud the author of this thread for his effort, but it is pointless to try. Obama could come out and openly say he is socialist (he's come close a time or two) and people would still applaud. Most people in the US have been raised on socialist ideals in our public education system, to the point that they are blind to the faults of it, and blind to how much socialism already infests the US. Want to know why this country has fallen so far in the last 100 years? We left free markets and personal freedom behind, and began the lemming charge towards socialism. It's not a left or right issue, not a democrat or republican thing; BOTH sides are moving us towards socialism. If you want a change for freedom and prosperity, organize or join and existing organization to bring freedom back to the land of the free!