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Starship Orion helps debunk the Apollo Moon Landings!

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posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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I'm sure there is a lot of nanotech materials out there that is out of this world in comparing to old lunar junk.

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posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by riggs2099
www.braeunig.us...
This gives a detailed analysis of everything the "moon landing hoaxers" bring up.


Not everything, just the crap they promote as what we think is evidence. This is as good as a 9/11 debunker linking to a hologram page to say that is what all truthers believe.

No offense but this page did not address everything by a long shot.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:07 AM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by ObamaMomma
I think the OP makes a valid argument. They really should have alot of the answers that they apparently don't know according to them

1. they should know the thickness and installation procedures for the windows ...


So if I knew the procedure for correctly replacing the windshield (windscreen) in a 1967 Ford Mustang , then I should already know exactly how to replace the windshield in a 2008 Ford Mustang? Or do you think those procedures would be different?



No but if you knew how to make glass in 1967, you would not be at a complete loss as to how to make glass in 2008 and have to start figuring it out all over again.

You would just have to change a few details about that glass to make it the difference between one windshield and the other.

Nice over simplification. I have seen this lame argument before. If you knew what you needed to protect from burning up in 1967, then you know what you need to keep from burning up in 2008. What you use to acheive that would be different, but the need does not change.

In 1967 you need to stop wind from getting in your face while you can see where you are driving. You come up with a windshield.

In 2008 you need to stop wind from getting in your face and you have no clue where to start so you begin a whole new set of research?



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by jra
This is what happens to any industry that stops doing something for a time and then tries to do it again several decades later.


and destroys the original schematics, blue prints, and documentation for the only successfull transport to the moon. Seems like some stuff you might want to hold on to but that is just me.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:18 AM
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moon landing was a hoax and a fake , thats well known .......

in fact, the only moon landings were done , were by robotic rovers



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:49 AM
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Everyone who worked on Apollo is retired or dead.

Parts were all hand drawn - as Computer Aided Drafting did not exists yet.

Many parts were made by subcontractors - many of whom don't exist any longer. How are you going to find their plans?

They do have a complete Saturn V Rocket, but we have different technology today and different goals. Even if they did copy the Saturn V - the time & money it would take would be more than designing it from scratch, because engineers would have to resolve all issues & details of somebody else's design of nearly 50 year old technology. Just doesn't make sense.

To anyone who doesn't believe we went to the moon I suggest you make a trip out to Kennedy Space center and look at the Saturn V yourself along with the rocket garden and all the other neat stuff. Oh yeah, and schedule your trip around a launch to make even more interesting. I did a few times and here's my last PASS.





posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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Don't worry. I believe they can launch rockets. I never doubted they can get into space. Just not to the moon. That one is a little far fetched. But only if you really really look into it so most of you have nothing to worry about.



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo



No but if you knew how to make glass in 1967, you would not be at a complete loss as to how to make glass in 2008 and have to start figuring it out all over again.
You would just have to change a few details about that glass to make it the difference between one windshield and the other.

You have just confirmed what others have been arguing for, that is where the money goes, on finding out what those details are and where they go.



Nice over simplification. I have seen this lame argument before. If you knew what you needed to protect from burning up in 1967, then you know what you need to keep from burning up in 2008. What you use to acheive that would be different, but the need does not change.

Exactly, they know what they need (to not burn up) no one is debateing there needs, its how they go about it is the problem, the materials of today are miles different from the 60's, the heat shields will be different, everything will be different! what can't you understand?
In my opinion you need to go back to school, take a night class or something,
and I recall you saying that you dont believe man went to the moon, OMG, i'll debate you right now as to why that is one of the most ridiculous and persistent statments ever made, imo that statement is a testiment to man's stupidity



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Europe

Exactly, they know what they need (to not burn up) no one is debateing there needs, its how they go about it is the problem, the materials of today are miles different from the 60's, the heat shields will be different, everything will be different! what can't you understand?
In my opinion you need to go back to school, take a night class or something,
and I recall you saying that you dont believe man went to the moon, OMG, i'll debate you right now as to why that is one of the most ridiculous and persistent statments ever made, imo that statement is a testiment to man's stupidity



Actually if you have been following along with NASA, they do have to start from scratch on many things because they have no idea how to acheive it. In fact that is what started this debate and the landing believing people already justified that, now you are changing it?

Interesting, so are they starting over or not? Many of the people claiming that we went to the moon agree they admit to starting completely over, they justify it even. NASA claims they need to "re-figure" things out all over. You have this new idea that they are lying about that, and that the people that have justified it already are wrong?

Interesting, so if you are right, then the other people that feel they made a convincing argument as to why they need to start from scratch as well as that we did go to the moon must be wrong. Hmmm....



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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Not a single bit of the old Apollo data has ever been lost. Nor has the engineering been lost. It was simply put away, put into mothballs, stored, kept protected.

Now one reason why they need to re-design things is because there is no way in hell congress or the public is going to spend billions on a "Apollo on steroids" type program to go back to the moon. Congress, as well as the knowledgable public, knows that we could use the Apollo hardware today just as it was used back in the late 60's and early 70's and succeed.

There is no reason why that could not be done.

However, the public would EXPECT something new, something different, something more MODERN. Thus, NASA must design something NEW, something that would attract the public so that there is public support to return to the moon and go byond that.

It is the same with something like the new Mustangs on the road. Ford did not go back to the old designs stored in their lockers, they simply re-designed the car from those older designs and came out with a new version of it, and sold a ton of em.

No Answer So AHAHA has to do that very same thing. Only this time, they have to make sure the new hardware is safe, reliable and cost effective after their history with the shuttle disasters. People are going to remember those incidents very well when it comes to spending billions on sending men and women to the moon and mars. So No Anomaly Seen Alright must make sure they cross their T's and dot their I's very carefully.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Tho I am not a huge fan of Now Another Silly Analysis, I have to say to those here who think they have no clue as to what they are doing, it is YOU who have no idea what the hell your talking about!!!


I was THERE for the Apollo launches, and let me tell you, hearing, and feeling that Saturn V rocket lift off from the Cape was no fantasy. Then watching and seeing Niel Armstrong walk out of that LEM for the first time, was a glorious day and event for the entire world.

So please, get off your fantisy that Never A Straight Answer never went to the moon and has no idea what they are doing.

They may not be telling us the truth about what is out there, but consider this for a moment.....if they are not telling us the truth about what is out there, then how would they know what is out there to lie about if they had not been there to find it in the first place eh???



Cheers!!!!



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
Tho I am not a huge fan of Now Another Silly Analysis, I have to say to those here who think they have no clue as to what they are doing, it is YOU who have no idea what the hell your talking about!!!


I was THERE for the Apollo launches, and let me tell you, hearing, and feeling that Saturn V rocket lift off from the Cape was no fantasy. Then watching and seeing Niel Armstrong walk out of that LEM for the first time, was a glorious day and event for the entire world.

So please, get off your fantisy that Never A Straight Answer never went to the moon and has no idea what they are doing.

They may not be telling us the truth about what is out there, but consider this for a moment.....if they are not telling us the truth about what is out there, then how would they know what is out there to lie about if they had not been there to find it in the first place eh???



Cheers!!!!


Seriously, who said the rockets never launched? Who said they never went into space? I think you are arguing the wrong point. Saying we never landed on the moon is far from saying that the rockets were never launched and that men did not go into space.

Aside from that, you were on the moon to witness them exit the LEM? Did you take pictures too?



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Seriously, who said the rockets never launched? Who said they never went into space? I think you are arguing the wrong point. Saying we never landed on the moon is far from saying that the rockets were never launched and that men did not go into space.

Aside from that, you were on the moon to witness them exit the LEM? Did you take pictures too?

Oh good grief, like they went all the way to the moon but never left the LEM... yeah, that makes sense...

We have amateur pictures showing the spacecraft in transit to and from the moon. If they launched and went into space, they went to the moon because they sure didn't stick around in earth orbit.
www.astr.ua.edu...
Apollo 13 water dump on the way to the moon. You don't have to be on the moon to know they went there. What evidence do you have showing that they didn't go?



posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 04:43 PM
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I have no idea what your leap in logic is. Why would you conclude from what I said that they went to the moon but did not leave the LEM?

Do you have any idea how far away space is?

Do you have any idea how much farther away the moon is?

Yes we have footage of them in space. I know they went to space.

The moon is something else. If you are going to argue with me, at least make some sense. I really do not even know how to respond to that mess otherwise. You missed something in my statement I guess but the moon and space are two different things.

edit to add: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ that pic. What if I gave you that pic and said it was proof of something you did not agree with. Anything. Would you not them claim a black and white pic of some dots proves um nothing. That does not even prove it was a picture of anything in outerspace, let alone anything that proves a point. Keep trying though.

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posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
I have no idea what your leap in logic is. Why would you conclude from what I said that they went to the moon but did not leave the LEM?


Saying we never landed on the moon is far from saying that the rockets were never launched and that men did not go into space. Aside from that, you were on the moon to witness them exit the LEM? Did you take pictures too?


Your words, not mine.


Do you have any idea how far away space is?

The internationally agreed line between earth and space is 100km.


Do you have any idea how much farther away the moon is?

360,000 km give or take, your point?


Yes we have footage of them in space. I know they went to space.

We have amateur footage of them on their trajectory to the moon, right where they were supposed to be, proving they went to the moon, not just "space."


The moon is something else. If you are going to argue with me, at least make some sense.

I gave you proof from an amateur not involved in any "conspiracy" that apollo went exactly where they claimed to go. I leave it to you to counter that evidence or not.


Would you not them claim a black and white pic of some dots proves um nothing.

Ridiculing amateur astrophotography doesn't help your case. "black and white dots" mean a lot to astronomers, and that pic is hard evidence of apollo. You may not have the means to understand it, but there's no natural occuring nebula in that area of space, yet there is a cloud of water from Apollo right where and when it was supposed to appear. An amateur captured it in his telescope. Your ridicule amounts to claiming that he's just lying (for what reason?) and made the picture up. Glad to know amateur proof leaves you with just one option, claim it's a lie and offer no proof to back up that claim. When you can offer some proof of your claims, then you'll have something. Until then, that image and these are consistent proof of apollo beyond the shadow of a doubt.
www.astr.ua.edu...
Apollo 8 TLI burn

www.astr.ua.edu...
Apollo 8 on the way to the moon

www.astr.ua.edu...
Apollo 13 with SLA panels nearby.

www.svengrahn.pp.se...
Radio of Apollo 17 recorded from the moon by an amateur visiting florida.
See a pattern yet? Apollo was independently confirmed.

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posted on Nov, 23 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
I have no idea what your leap in logic is. Why would you conclude from what I said that they went to the moon but did not leave the LEM?


Saying we never landed on the moon is far from saying that the rockets were never launched and that men did not go into space. Aside from that, you were on the moon to witness them exit the LEM? Did you take pictures too?


Your words, not mine.



I am still at a loss here. What words are you using against me? I still never said they went to the moon but did not leave the LEM. I have said all along that they never went to the moon. What is your confusion here?



posted on Nov, 24 2008 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

I am still at a loss here. What words are you using against me? I still never said they went to the moon but did not leave the LEM.


Saying we never landed on the moon is far from saying that the rockets were never launched and that men did not go into space. Aside from that, you were on the moon to witness them exit the LEM? Did you take pictures too?

No confusion, that statement rather humorously suggests that even if you were convinced that they went to the moon that you'd still refuse to believe that they left the LEM unless a person independent of NASA took pictures of them exiting and showed you. This leads me to believe that you're rather close minded about the entire issue and cannot be convinced of a real lunar landing with any proof that any human could ever provide short of a trip for you yourself.

By the way, if you really think Paul Maley was lying about his photograph of the Apollo 13 water dump on the way to the moon, or if you think I'm intentionally misattributing his photo to something it isn't, why don't you ask him about it? Here's his email: pdmaley@yahoo.com.

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