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Better hope you never have to rely on said social programs.
Some are truly poor due to no fault of their own?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by TimeTracker
Some are truly poor due to no fault of their own?
So because of their inept abilities I, someone who did make something of my self, should in fact pay for the services of those who wallowed in self pitty?
Cold Hearted. So be it. They would sooner see the barrel of my gun before they saw another 20+% of my earnings. To hell with your socialist agenda.
Originally posted by TimeTracker
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by TimeTracker
Some are truly poor due to no fault of their own?
So because of their inept abilities I, someone who did make something of my self, should in fact pay for the services of those who wallowed in self pitty?
Cold Hearted. So be it. They would sooner see the barrel of my gun before they saw another 20+% of my earnings. To hell with your socialist agenda.
I would just like to make some things clear for you and others who think like you.
Some people who are born poor, can't afford to go to college.
They may have a child or two or three at an early age.
They work hard, but everytime they get a little ahead something happens to knock them back down.
Be it health issues or their car breaks down or they may be laid off.
Not all poor people are inept or lazy.
Some just have very bad luck and no safety net to fall into.
A lot of single mothers fit this profile.
But i find the well to do would rather demonize the poor than sympathize.
It is your prerogitive to do so.
I will not.
And yes i would give you 20%.
It's called Charity.
I do it all the time.
Originally posted by drwizardphd
It's attitudes like that that make me feel like some people belong in the stone age. Welcome to society, buddy.
Source: Not Yours to Give
When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but as I thought, rather coldly.
"I began: 'Well friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates and---
"Yes I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine, I shall not vote for you again."
"This was a sockdolger...I begged him tell me what was the matter.
"Well Colonel, it is hardly worthwhile to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting you or wounding you.'
"I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest.
But an understanding of the constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the honest he is.'
" 'I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake. Though I live in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by fire in Georgetown. Is that true?
"Well my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just the same as I did.'
"It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means.
What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he.
If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give at all; and as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. 'No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity.'
Originally posted by TimeTracker
And yes i would give you 20%.
It's called Charity.
I do it all the time.
Originally posted by Mahree
There is a difference between Medicare and Medicaid.
Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by TimeTracker
And yes i would give you 20%.
It's called Charity.
I do it all the time.
Good for you & I commend you for it. Because charity to the truly unfortunate is up to individuals to donate for, not a function of the federal government to force everybody to donate. There are plenty of worthwhile charity organizations available that do just that very thing...No need (& no Constitutionally delegated authority) for the government to do it too.
In this whole debate (& confession), notice that I've emphasized that it's not within federal authority to provide these benefits & they're only being provided because my wife has been disabled from birth.
Originally posted by LostNemesis
I agree with TimeTracker to an extent.
I've known people on services like food stamps and disability all their lives.
At the same time, I've also known a couple to use the help to provide for their family and get through school so they CAN get out of the poor slump.
This is what those teenage moms need to do, take the help to feed the offspring and get herself through school. That is it.
There really does need to be a limit on how long someone can collect welfare and food services (but I thought there was already? So why all the demonizing of the poor if it's simply a temporary system to get themselves to self-reliance? I could be wrong)
Originally posted by TimeTracker
I would just like to make some things clear for you and others who think like you.
Some people who are born poor, can't afford to go to college.
They may have a child or two or three at an early age.
They work hard, but everytime they get a little ahead something happens to knock them back down.
Be it health issues or their car breaks down or they may be laid off.
Not all poor people are inept or lazy.
Some just have very bad luck and no safety net to fall into.
A lot of single mothers fit this profile.
But i find the well to do would rather demonize the poor than sympathize.
It is your prerogitive to do so.
I will not.
And yes i would give you 20%.
It's called Charity.
I do it all the time.