Canadian troops told to ignore rape..?

Canadian troops told to ignore rape..?

www.thestar.com

Canadian soldiers serving in Afghanistan have been ordered by commanding officers "to ignore" incidents of sexual assault among the civilian population, says a military chaplain who counsels troops returning home with post-traumatic stress disorder.

The chaplain, Jean Johns, says she recently counselled a Canadian soldier who said he witnessed a boy being raped by an Afghan soldier.......

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why are we there if we are not allowed to help?

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reply to post by fatdad


WoW. So these very religiously devout people dont rape women! That is awesome (all seriousness)

BUT they do rape little boys and turn them into crazy people... WOW thats messed up. An Afghan solider raping a little boy... that is soo messed up.

Hey U.S. Citizens... you ask why the U.S. is sticking its nose in other peoples businesses... There is your anwser.

RJ- Creeped out at the moment

Originally posted by fatdad


why are we there if we are not allowed to help?

www.thestar.com
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because just their presence incites problems, perpetual social intimidation and social chaos, these soldiers doing one thing, while these other soldiers are doing something else, and yet other soldiers doing a different task altogether and no one working towards any one goal, it makes it much easier to accomplish things you don't want people paying much attention to, plus it then appears as though there WOULD be lots of witnesses to use if needed to dismiss malicious activities... It's easy to say, .. "oh heck no, nuthin' like that happened while I was around" .. it'd be even easier to say if you were busy watching people getting raped or perhaps raping someone yourself... Your focus just isn't what it COULD be in those scenarios, therefore people can do or set up things without people becoming too suspicious.

[edit on 6/17/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

Originally posted by rjmelter
Hey U.S. Citizens... you ask why the U.S. is sticking its nose in other peoples businesses... There is your anwser.

So, other countries can stick their nose in the US because our soldiers rape girls and boys?

A US soldier that was convicted for participating at the raping and murder of a young Iraqi girl and her family received on Saturday a sentence of 110 years in prison.

www.efluxmedia.com...

An American soldier admitted killing a 17-year-old Iraqi boy after gay rape. He originally admitted forcing the boy to endure anal sex. After receiving legal advice the soldier now denies raping the boy at gun point and claims mutual consent. Private Merida from North Carolina was caught after shooting the poor kid 11 times to cover-up his disgusting crime.

www.theinsider.org...

An American soldier convicted of raping and killing an 11-year-old girl in Kosovo has been sentenced to life without chance for parole. Sergeant Frank Ronghi, a former member of the NATO-led KFOR peacekeeping unit, will spend the rest of his life in prison.

origin.www.cbc.ca...

From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

www.boingboing.net...

Shall I continue? I'm horified to learn that there are a lot more cases than what I just posted. So, should we be invaded now?

Yeah we should be invaded by angry U.S. Citizens trying to clean up the act of the indecent few who wear the arms of our proudest military.

Im not proud of what it has become... but not all people are like that. Unfortunately the wars of the past... this was also a problem... Unfortunately for the world... Our media just gets into everyones business now... as it should... in these types of cases. This problem shouldn't even exist in the first place. All this was created 2000 + years ago when the Christian Church (Jewish- yes Jesus was a jew) and the Muslim Church were set up to try to balance the world. Game is over. Time for the truth.

[edit on 17-6-2008 by rjmelter]

Even Dr. Laura's son. You know Ms. "Family Values Talk Radio" herself.

The soldier son of talk radio relationship counselor Laura Schlessinger is under investigation for a graphic personal Web page that one Army official has called "repulsive."
The MySpace page, publicly available until Friday when it disappeared from the Internet, included cartoon depictions of rape, murder, torture and child molestation; photographs of soldiers with guns in their mouths; a photograph of a bound and blindfolded detainee captioned "My Sweet Little Habib"; accounts of illicit drug use; and a blog entry headlined by a series of obscenities and racial epithets.
The site is credited to and includes many photographs of Deryk Schlessinger, the 21-year-old son of the talk radio personality known simply as Dr. Laura. Broadcast locally on 570 KNRS, "Family Values Talk Radio," the former family counselor spends three hours daily taking calls and offering advice on morals, ethics and values. She broadcast a show from Fort Douglas, in Salt Lake City, last week.

www.sltrib.com...

Originally posted by rjmelter
Im not proud of what it has become... but not all people are like that.

But, from your previous post, you want us to believe that all Afghanies are like that? Typical American hypocrisy at its best.

[edit on 6/17/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by rjmelter
Im not proud of what it has become... but not all people are like that.

But, from your previous post, you want us to believe that all Afghanies are like that? Typical American hypocrisy at its best.

[edit on 6/17/2008 by Griff]

Likewise brother. Altho I never said all of them were like that... Do not MisQuote me. I stated that in my own ignorance. Im not ashamed to admit when im wrong... We are still there for a reason tho... are we not?

Originally posted by rjmelter
We are still there for a reason tho... are we not?

Have you noticed the exponential increase of herion in the US since we invaded them? There's your answer.

reply to post by Griff


Hey I get this amazing sensational feeling it overwelms me... i cant describe it. Wait its coming to me... Your not a very nice person. That said. I hope you have a better day tomorrow. No offense but im not the president of the United States. Dont GET MAD AT ME. Thanks again. If I could change things I would but guess what im a 21 year old young male. Whatever my country says goes... how many more million Americans are there? Yeah thats right... i have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL. So please act civil towards all present here... If you wish to express your concern and hatred for the U.S. Please visit www.cia.gov They would be MORE THEN WILLING to accept critiques on how they should do their job. I send them messages once a year. But its more so how can i help you see... If I cant make a difference id rather be part of something that knows whats going on.

This war thats going on... I want to know more of why and all of that. So lets do less name calling and finger pointing and figure out a solution... oh wait. Its just 2 people in a really big world... 6 billion + is it? hmm. I hope your Prince Harry or someone important. Im not important. Im just a young man... most countrys just want to waste my life on the battle front... do you think im ecstatic about this? Not a chance in MAIL carrier service mishaps would I like that. No Sir.

Originally posted by rjmelter
Hey I get this amazing sensational feeling it overwelms me... i cant describe it. Wait its coming to me... Your not a very nice person.

No. I'm a very nice person. Maybe I came off a little harsh. I apologize if I did.

So lets do less name calling and finger pointing

I am actually American myself, so saying American Hypocrisy also applies to me. I apologize if it seemed I was calling you hypocritical. You seem like a nice person that I took a little bit out on. Again I apologize.

Start over?

Umm, As I understand it, they do not consider sex with boys to be either homosexual, or rape. By their standards this is just "Normal" behavior.

Now it might be a bunch of B.S. But that is what I was lead to believe when I was over there during the first Gulf War. And I must say I saw a lot of body language that suggested to my perceptions that this is truthful.

I recall the phrase boys are for fun, and women are for babys.
They consider women to be unclean and unfit to even attend their own weddings, so I see some credabilty within that framework.

It really is difficult to interpret behaviors in a place where the customs are so different from our own, so take this with a grain of salt.

[edit on 17-6-2008 by Cyberbian]

Originally posted by Cyberbian
I recall the phrase boys are for fun, and women are for babys.

I've heard it "men are for recreation, women are for procreation", myself.

Apparently men raping boys is quite the established custom in Afghanistan. We wouldn't want to step in and intrude on their rights, now would we? We arrogant Americans wouldn't want to impose our mores on another culture. That would just be wrong.

They are known as "bacha bereesh", boys without beards, teenage boys who dress up as girls and dance for male patrons at parties in northern Afghanistan.

It's an age old practice that has led to some of the boy dancers being turned into sex slaves by wealthy and powerful patrons, often former warlords, who dress the boys up as girls, shower them with gifts and keep them as "mistresses".

[SNIP]

Back in the 19th century, ethnic Pashtuns fighting in Britain's colonial army sang odes talking of their longing for young boys.

Homosexuality, cloaked in the tradition of strong masculine bonds that are a hallmark of Islamic culture and are even more pronounced in southern Afghanistan's strict, sexually segregated society, has long been a clandestine feature of life here. But pedophilia has been its curse.

NY Times

[edit on 6/17/2008 by sc2099]

reply to post by Griff


Have you notice that heroin increased since the Taliban was forced out and is at war?

Think about it...what did the Taliban do while fighting with warlords in Afghanistan and funding their war?

reply to post by fatdad


well, they ignored more than rape in Balkans in 90's so this is not weird.

Originally posted by deltaboy
Have you notice that heroin increased since the Taliban was forced out and is at war?

So, you admit that the Taliban was quite effective in keeping the worlds herion problem down? And this is bad?

reply to post by Griff


This thing is much larger and more complicated than that. We are propping up hard drug production & distribution elsewhere, and then the end users here at home are a market for exploitation at every possible level. They pay street prices for drugs; they are a justification for "War on Drugs" training, budget supplementation, and the militarization of police; they are fodder for the legal system; they are fodder for the privatized prison industry; and their children represent a fresh and renewable resource to be harvested by enterprising business people.

What about our "good kids" - that very narrow wedge of the overall population who are over there right now, dealing with this horror on a daily basis? Are they just more fodder for this game?

I'm not blaming any one agency or actor for creating this thing. There are too many people who have plugged into this institution for the profit motive, and it is occurring in our name. Our name. Is this what we want?

Ignore those stupid rules! I would help any person who gets raped, especially children! F those rules.