reply to post by HarlemHottie
But my overlying argument still remains - it is you that has came in here and said "he didnt aim this at black people"
He did not single out black men.
this seemed to be the drive for which you posted. You seemed to think BH was "being silly" and singling out "black fathers"
Obama Calls for More Responsibility From Black Fathers
Nobody here is disputing the fact that his message CAN BE TAILORED to the entire existance of fathers everywhere. Nobody here is saying that
"white" and "yellow" fathers cannot learn from this as well.
Im not arguing with you on that point
Im arguing with you on this
Obama starts his 'father be better' speech with this
Of all the rocks upon which we build our lives, we are reminded today that family is the most important. And we are called to recognize and
honor how critical every father is to that foundation. They are teachers and coaches. They are mentors and role models. They are examples of success
and the men who constantly push us toward it.
Which - yes i totally agree, it is aimed at every father, regardless of skin color.
But he follows it up - and pointedly talks about BLACK FATHERS. Why? Because he, himself, is a black father. He is talking to a black audience.
You and I know how true this is in the African-American community. We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent
households, a number that has doubled – doubled – since we were children. We know the statistics – that children who grow up without a father
are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and twenty times more likely to end up
in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our
community are weaker because of it.
You admit yourself that he's talking to his audience. He's talking to black people. He's scultping his speech TOWARDS black people. So the
argument isnt "he means this for everyone"
we know that already
the argument is
speech, Obama is calling on Black fathers"
because he is. He's talking to black fathers. He talks about black fathers. He talks about the black community. Because when he's talking to
black people, he needs to talk about their needs and their worries.
He's talking about BLACK FATHERS in "THIS" speech.
Which is my point.
It seemed as if you came storming into this thread foaming from the mouth going after the OP, in terms of saying "this isnt about black fathers"
well, obama crafted it that way.
Though we DO agree with you that this applies to ALL FATHERS.
Had you approached it and said "ya know, this message really applies to all fathers everywhere" and left out the "he's not talking about black
fathers" it would not have sounded so defensive.
You seemed to have taken a great amount of offense, when all BH was doing was saying "look, here's more terrific stuff that Obama is doing" and i
took offense to that tone.
If you want to see what im talking about, i urge to to read the comments on any of these videos found
When some white people try to tell some black people what they feel the problem is - those 'some' black people lash back in a very angry manner.
Don't believe me? Go read comments.
On the flip side
When some black people tell other black people the problem, "some" black people say "ITS EVERYONE'S PROBLEM, NOT JUST BLACK PEOPLE"
we know its everyone's problem
but they're talking about it being a black problem. Fix it int he black community, etc etc etc
I simply don't understand why this is so offensive.
I mean, i can see how one would be offended, if they said
"its offensive, because it singles out black people" well - yeah - it does. The Truth Hurts. The truth is, all fathers need to listen to it, i
agree, but the other truth is that this applies to black fathers too. And its only when its specifically called "black problems" do "some" black
people start talking about it.
Its no different than "some" white people who cross the street in order to not walk by a 'thuggish' looking black guy. They'll say "im not
yeah - right. You are a scarred little white guy who does not have the respect it takes to walk by a black man without fear he'll snag your
Its the same god *snip* thing.
So instead of fighting the message because you think
its being used wrongly - why not embrace the message, put your own spin on it, and make it
I really hope you're not going to frown upon me for saying all of this, i just really have a HUGE problem whenever someone sticks up for something
solely based on skin color.
I am not calling you out, i am just saying that - FROM MY EXPERIENCES - people who do, what you've done in your opening response in this thread, are
the same people who back up skin color blindly and say "that dont happen in my neighborhood" and i am not saying that you ARE one of these people.
I am saying that the reason im so against the way in which you took a stance, is because it sounds all too familiar to me.
Its like the quiet town of 3000 people....there's suddenly a serial killer discovered there and they all say
"that doesnt happen here!!!"
It just did.
Its a fact you have to live with.
Just like white people have to live with the fact that we'll forever be labeled as the 'slave owner race' (put in a nutshell) despite the fact that
American colonists didnt invent slavery.
They just took part in it.
It is stupid to defend slavery and say "WE WERENT THE FIRST"!!!!!
It doesnt matter what everyone else did in the context of "white american slave owners"
its the same thing when obama talks to black people about black problems
you just have to have a little lump in your throad, swallow it, and say "ya know....he's right"
this is just my opinion
i hope you wont hold it against me.