reply to post by HarlemHottie
Yeah i listened to it Video here
But where im getting ... confused... if you forward to 3:08 its where he directs everything he's going to say to the "african american
I, personally, see the point you're trying to make. You're trying to say that this conversation SHOULD BE directed at all races, and i agree.
Thats not the argument in this thread, IMO
The argument that i noticed was that Barack didn't direct this at black fathers....but he did.
As far as Bill Cosby, i truely believe he has some facts to back up his opinion. For lack of a better term, he uses "street facts" instead of
'statistics'..though he does use a few. ( Source Video
I've been a long-time member of the "comments" crowd on YouTube.
And i can tell you, i've never seen something more dispciable than this (and this is not aimed at you HarlemHottie)
I see Bill Cosby, who was hailed in the black community for being a comedian. The Cosby Show, Fat Albert, Jell-O Pudding, Kids say the Darndest
things, etc etc etc. Nobody in the black community ever had a bad thing to say about Cosby until he started speaking out about the problems that
black people face.
He wasnt talking out about the problems PEOPLE face, just the black people. He talked about how the rap industry exploits hopeless youths. There is
no "hope" in leading a gangsta life, etc etc.
And, especially on youtube, i seen a lash-back from users who claim to be African American the likes of which i never thought possible. It seems as
though Cosby has "8-balled" himself.
Now, don't get me wrong, im white and i only can have an opinion based through my experiences in my life. I wasnt raised in a 'racist' household,
nor brought up in a 'racist' community.
But if you put ALL things aside, and just
talk about the problems that, say, Cosby and Obama talk about, you have to admit that they are right.
Yes - these problems exist in the "White" and "yellow" and etc etc etc communities as well. But they're not talking about the other
They're talking about black communities.
Which is where my confusion comes in. They specifically point at "black fathers" and the black neighborhoods. They're not saying these problems
don't exist elsewhere. They're saying "LETS FIX IT HERE FIRST"
i think im starting to talk in circles, so ill be blunt
and please dont take offense
It just seems, to me, and in my non-offensive opinion, that you are the only person here who thinks that people dont think its not a "human"
problem, but that these individual speakers take directive action towards the black community in general.
I fail to see how one would not back up such action.
If someone came to me and said "i have a plan to fix the white problems of America" (and yes....they do exist too
then i'd be all for it. I wouldnt retort with "they're not just white problems"
I, for one, am totally against the media. I think the media is one never-ending soap opera, and dont take it at face value, ever.
That being said, in these two relative cases (cosby and obama) i fail to see how the media is twisting these stories.
They are black leaders talking about black problems, and the media is covering them.
Im positive if there were a prestigious white man (we'll use George Carlin, because i think he's great) who was discussing, pointedly, white
problems in America, i know that the media would cover it.
The reason that Obama is all over TV with his speeches is because he's running for president. If he were just a senator with nothing else, you may
hear his speech one time, during the 7a.m. news. This is true.
But thats the only twist i see. I dont see how they're making it look like "black problems" are the only problems in America
As far as the school shooting issue goes, yeah, i think its a typical "im a lonley white kid who has everything, complain complain complain" with a
couple of sissy parents who don't monitor what their kids are doing. Its not video games fault. Its not marilyn mansons fault, its the lazy *snip*
parents fault. That being said, i've seen that very thing covered in the media
*washes mouth out for giving credit to media*
Again - just my opinion, you definately see things different from me (and not in a "bad" way. Just a different way) so im curious to pick your
brain and see why its a big issue for you, on a personal level.
[edit on 19-6-2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]
[edit on 19-6-2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]