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It mentions "the circle of the earth", and many flat Earth drawings depict the world being a flat disk. It says nothing of the Earth being spherical. Indeed, I would throw their understanding of circles and spheres into question because they apparently couldn't even solve for Pi. (In the bible, it's simply listed as "3")
Originally posted by Lasheic
... Oh.. but it wasn't an animal... it was SATAN!!. ...
Now if you can just prove that Satan even exists other than a religious or philisophical concept...
...Don't forget to then ask them how many of those phenomena can actually be attributed to the best of their reasoning to magic or miracles. Doctors don't just chalk that up to divine providence. They study the phenomena to try to learn all they can about it. We also refer to birth as a "miracle", despite knowing in full detail the processes behind it.
"Here's a challenge for you. Find me any book that displays more collected wisdom than the Book of Proverbs.
Encylopedia Brittanica. Volume A.
"Another thing: The bible talks about the earth being round about 2,000 years before anyone else."
It mentions "the circle of the earth", and many flat Earth drawings depict the world being a flat disk. It says nothing of the Earth being spherical. Indeed, I would throw their understanding of circles and spheres into question because they apparently couldn't even solve for Pi. (In the bible, it's simply listed as "3")
"Now come on, who in their right mind would have thought that the very core of the earth would be a cube? Well, apparently God did (or at the very least, whoever wrote the Book of Job, if you don't believe in God)."
Er, read the article. It doesn't state the Earth's core is a cube. It talks about the body-centered cubic structure of iron under such conditions. Basically, it's crystaline, but the overall shape of the core is still roughly spherical.
In any case, it doesn't matter since you'd still be wrong. A newer and related story on the very page you linked reveals that the Earth's core is multi-layered. It has an inner-inner core. And it's not a cube either.
ScienceDaily
Originally posted by Lasheic
Spheres and Circles are two very different shapes, so it's important to make the distinction.
And further, the bible in many passages (including Job) makes mentions of Pillars of the Earth. This is a direct reference to Babylonian thought of the Earth being a flat disk resting upon pillars, covered by a crystalline dome, in a vast ocean.
The bible cannot be read literally and still be compatible with what we know to be true and observe in reality. It can only be read subjectively as parables and myths, and if that's the case - then there is no conflict between the bible and evolution. Even the Pope agrees to this.
I agree with Thomas Paine
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
I think you might find it very interesting to compare the specific gravities of said fossils in layers and consider if it would have been possible for them to have been laid down in a world-wide flood. There have been several papers written about this if you care to look them up.
Mount Saint Helens formation of the "mini Grand Canyon" should have laid to rest what we THOUGHT we knew about sedimentary layer formation.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
So, no one has communicated with Alex the Parrot, and that Ape that was taught sign language? Nope, no scientific evidence of creatures that can communicate. Granted, you did say "talk", but then again, the bible doesn't say "snake", it says "serpent". While in general language, those are synonymous, in the bible they aren't quite synonymous, as "serpent" is often used specifically of the being known as Satan.
Go into any hospital in America and ask how many "magical things" happen every day.
Here's a challenge for you. Find me any book that displays more collected wisdom than the Book of Proverbs.
Oh, and guess what? In the Book of Job (considered the oldest book in the bible), God talks about laying the "foundation stone" of the earth. For 6,000 years, everyone assumed this was just allegorical. Guess what? The Center of the earth may be an actual CUBE! www.sciencedaily.com...
Now come on, who in their right mind would have thought that the very core of the earth would be a cube? Well, apparently God did (or at the very least, whoever wrote the Book of Job, if you don't believe in God).
Originally posted by sir_chancealot But guess what they do when one of the "absolute" dating methods puts out a date that isn't consistent with the age of the fossils? Care to guess? If you said "They throw it out and say the sample was 'contaminated' you get the gold star!
Originally posted by Lasheic I recall no such event occuring, so please, since you've provided so many other links. Provide one for that story.
Originally posted by Lasheic If they found a poodle in a cambrian strata layer, you'd be damned sure they will be employing other dating methods.
Originally posted by LasheicYOU are the link between our primate common ancestor and the species which will evolve from us.
Originally posted by miriam0566
so essentially you ask what a creationist believes, then reject his answer because its too simple?
if god creates a life, lets call this life "bob", what is the physical process this god would us to create bob?
first, what is the ability of god? is he omnipotent? if he is, how is saying "god thought up bob and *pop* there was bob" a non-answer. because its unlikely to you? would it be better if god took clay and breathed life into it? would the presence of a process make it more acceptable to you?
an omnipotent god is omnipotent, he/she/it can do anything. so your reply to ferdane isnt appropriate because he DID answer the question.
Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by redshirt0202
If you ask a religious person a question that is designed to highlight a highly illogical situation, the answer is always some version of "God did it". When asked why, they will reply "God works in mysterious ways; it's not possible for us to understand".
Originally posted by JPhish
i love how this thread had posed a question for creationists and yet anti-creationists are the only ones responding . . .
It's a little arrogant to presume that you know how creationists will respond to the question.
Originally posted by Ferdane
And back on-topic. Just if there is no proof that something existed before a certain time doesn't mean it could be impossible for it to have existed before it. Just that there has not been found any evidence supporting it.
You simply cannot 100% know everything without being able to observe it. There is really no proof that dating methods would work when it comes to so long periods of time. You have to trust, and believe in it.
Originally posted by JPhish
Predestination is illogical; Postdestination is logical and it works nearly flawlessly within reality, but it is not necessarily accurate. The entire theory of evolution is based on "postdestination".