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Creationists - Explain this please

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posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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The Devil Put Fossils theyre to trick us into believing in Athiemsism!!!


Youare Gone to Helll




posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 12:08 PM
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Just thought this would help with the discussion and any mention of Satan.


Lucifer

O.E. Lucifer "Satan," also "morning star," from L. Lucifer "morning star," lit. "light-bringing". Belief that it was the proper name of Satan began with its use in the Bible to translate Gk. Phosphoros, which translates Heb. Helel ben Shahar in Isaiah xiv.12 -- "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" [KJV] The verse was interpreted by Christians as a reference to "Satan," because of the mention of a fall from Heaven, even though it is literally a reference to the King of Babylon (cf. Isaiah xiv.4). Lucifer match "friction match" is from 1831.

1. a proud, rebellious archangel, identified with Satan, who fell from heaven.
2. the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.


Source



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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www.bibletopics.com...

How God scientifically created the earth.

There is an answer for every question... they're just hard to find



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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And to complicate things a bit


The Catholic Church recognizes a St. Lucifer who lived around 350 AD and lead an exiled sect known as the Luciferians.
St. Lucifer

There is a modern day Luciferians who draw direct connection and parallels to Satanism, while other sects draw their parallels to merely the "Light Bringer" aspect of Lucifer and cast Lucifer as a Christian equivalent to Prometheus.
Luciferianism

And then there is Beelzebub who is associated with Lucifer, but was originally a demonisation of a competing philistine god.
Beelzebub
Baal



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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Both are theories, one has more solid evedence than the other as follows: Creation, here we are! That's pretty solid evidence. Some would call that proof, Conversely the "Cambrian Explosion" Look it up. In summary there was at one time NO LIFE then geologicaly speaking BAM Life from bacteria to plants and animals. Biblicaly speaking the original opening to genisis is "In A Beginning of..." Not "In the beginning but "A" beginning. The scripture provides the basis for both creation and evolution.

Evoluotion: Let's go back to the Cambrian era (rather period). There it is and in every subsequent period you find different and diverse life forms yet... and pay attention here Godless masses, NO TRANSITIONAL SPECIES. Never, not one single example. There is a fish and here's a fish with legs, no fish with nubs and nubs with proto toes, and so on. It's One and then the other. You evoloutionists have the same basis as we creationists for our beliefs FAITH.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 01:06 PM
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To point out just one part of that link, Noah's flood never happened as described. I could go on about how increased pressure in the atmosphere by the canopy of water resting on top of it would have crushed Noah and all the animals. I could mention that water traveling at orbital velocity would heat up to INCREADABLE temperatures and cause it essentially boil to death every living creature on Earth and the ark. That is, if the release of atmospheric pressure didn't cause Noah and all the animals to experience explosive decompression first. *pop*
It's not pretty.

Even if not "explosive", they certainly would have died or spent most of their journey in tremendous agonizing pain.

But, I'll let this video speak to some even greater - and not quite so evident - evidence against this biblical account.



Keep in mind also, that Don is himself a Christian.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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Simple some new creations are just dropped off, for certain people to find and navigate where the future possibility of upgrades happen. A lot of times in space. They are physically manifested on a LIGHT LEVEL.

In between spaces they are re-inserted into our group mind.

They are re-inserted back into 'our space diagram'


We think it up and alien beings bring it into place.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by menguard]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by redshirt0202

I'm going to make this short as it's already very late, so here it goes :

Assuming that Creationism is right and evolution is wrong, how do you (creationists) explain that we have found fossils of animals that have been living only in a certain time period and not before that time. What I'm trying to say is, where did that animal come from if it hadn't always existed?

Clearly it didn't pop up out of thin air, so my guess is it must have evolved from another animal.

Any thoughts on this?
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What do you mean by "certain animals"?
What do you mean "certain time period"? Don't you know they are mostly guessing, about time periods? Based on the hypothesis, that all
the world shaping physics have remained constant. Uniformitarism! Which
has been found to be false, over and over again.
Animals can change with in their species. God intervened in nature and change some animals. Like the serpent, (reptile), which he caused to go from walking upright, (to legs) to crawling on it's belly. Like a snake or alligator.




“We need always to keep in mind that the theories we currently believe to be true are just as falsifiable as the theories we look back on as having been falsified”



He pointed out that almost nothing scientists believed in 1900 about the atom, the cell, genetics, space, time, the earth or the universe is considered valid today.


There are no arguments the will dissuade Evo's. They can't face reality alone!
lol:


[edit on 11-6-2008 by Howie47]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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I'm rather curious as to why most of the evolutionists on the forum are so damn angry and feel they must bash Christians at any given chance. The reason behind the Christian bashing seems to be the fact that Christians have faith in something unknown and unseen. I find this a bit humorous because the vast majority of people on the board are not scientists and know absolutely nothing about biology, chemistry, or physics yet have an unyielding faith in regards to those areas of science. It's also funny how those same people will argue until they're red in the face about how right they are and how stupid Christians are.

There was a post made on the first page, if I'm not mistaken, that said Christians always use the "Because God made it that way" line and that's why there cannot be an intelligent debate between Christianity and science. I find this a bit ironic because more than likely, the person who posted that couldn't have an intelligent conversation or debate about science to begin with.

The question in the OP does bring out the irrationality of Christianity's view on evolution vs. creation, but what is never brought up by evolutionists is how unbelievably irrational the theories are regarding the scientific explanation of how life originated on Earth. No one can explain how life originated here, not even the great Richard Dawkins. Since the geologists have completely ruled out the idea of early Earth having a reducing atmosphere, the constantly cited Miller-Urey experiment has gone out the door as well. So, to the evolutionists, how did life originate on Earth? Feel free to explain it in detail.

I personally believe in evolution, as it is almost impossible to disprove at this point. There is so much evidence backing it there's almost no way to debate it. But that in no way rules out the existence of an all-powerful supreme being and this is why I am also a Christian. To those who are arrogant enough to say they know the complete truth and know for a fact that there is no God, you sir are a moron.

How about you guys quit bashing Christians for their beliefs. Like I said, most everyone here knows absolutely nothing about science and most follow it solely on blind faith. We're all in the same boat, we just believe different things.

Be nice.



*edit to make third paragraph a bit more clear

[edit on 11-6-2008 by alkali]

[edit on 11-6-2008 by alkali]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 01:54 PM
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To point out just one part of that link, Noah's flood never happened as described. I could go on about how increased pressure in the atmosphere by the canopy of water resting on top of it would have crushed Noah and all the animals. I could mention that water traveling at orbital velocity would heat up to INCREADABLE temperatures and cause it essentially boil to death every living creature on Earth and the ark. That is, if the release of atmospheric pressure didn't cause Noah and all the animals to experience explosive decompression first. *pop*

Point the old finger all you like. But their is water still floating around other planets in our solar system. In the form of ice! So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by Howie47]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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Easy answer and you will get what I mean if you followed anything I said in the 100 other post I have....

Some are transplanted from other planets in the universe

They become fossils and not around because

Destruction kills them off, VIA natural, or Intentional

........

The possibilities, and an answer that completely nullifies Evolution.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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Double Post

[edit on 11-6-2008 by uknow_me72]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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Creationist movement is only American thing to be fair. The rest of the world pretty much agrees that some kind of evolution took, is taking and will take place.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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They say it's to test our faith... what ever that means



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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lol are we ignorant us people who belive in creation why cuz we have no scientific proof we dont need that at all see the very proof u have is the reason u dont belive in creation. what are humans we are sight based creatures if we see it we tend to belive it hence the reason so many dont belive in God but evolution well we can touch that it must be real then actually its one of the devils greatest tricks . what im gettin at is the devil planted all those lil evoultionary fossils u guys are so fond of using as evidence cuz he knew those who were weak minded would fall prey to such a ridcouls thing as evoultion if we truly come from apes or whatever where do they come from i want u evoultionarys to tell me how point a happen all the way to point b dont start at the middle and guess what happen in the begining tell me all



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:07 PM
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I have only gotten through page one, but I see a pattern in your posts...

Have you ever thought that there might be Christians who believe that the laws of science are actually the laws of God?

If God is a scientist, (for lack of a better word, but go with me on this) then all of the laws, and developments of this earth and universe actually make plenty of sense.

Evolution is the name HUMANS attached to species growing and adapting to their environment... Don't we build houses that way? I mean, If god created the animals, and everything else, then they would adapt, right?

I think that we apply human restrictions on Gods power, and substitute "magic" when we can't think of any other answer.

My creator took his Self-Damned time when he made all of earth, especially so we didn't end up like mars...(oopsie)



Edit to add; Some poster, akili? anyway, 6 posts up is a much better way of saying what I was getting at. Just went back and finished the thread...

[edit on 11-6-2008 by jasonjnelson]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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Progressive Creationism explains it. In effect the earth is old. Real old. The "days" in Genesis refer to long periods of time when God was active in creating new species and letting them die off. When the earth entered the last "day" God rested from his works of creating. Hence, we don't see current species from then to today evolve into new species, genus, family, etc.

Adam was probably Neolithic homo sapiens.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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This is one of the more intelligent posts I have seen around ATS lately. Kudos.





*edit: I wrote this before your last edit referencing my post. Didn't want this post to seem conceited since I praised your post which referenced my earlier post

Just wanted to clear that up


[edit on 11-6-2008 by alkali]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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redshirt, thanks. FINALLY SOMEONE on the internet shares my view. Its only logical



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by redshirt0202

Assuming that Creationism is right and evolution is wrong,



Why limit your beliefs to assuming one is right and one is wrong and that there are TWO perspectives!

THINK BIGGER.....

What If YOUR God Was Created By HIS god?



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