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reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 05:00 AM by dave420
reply to post by Hollywood11



Yes, there is. We can just look at the DNA of humans and chimps, see how staggeringly similar they are, and from that deduce (with fundamental certainty) that an ape (or proto-ape) species existed that both humans and chimps evolved from.

Learn evolution. It's getting tiresome answering your ridiculously inane questions.


reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 03:59 PM by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by Good Wolf



Please forgive me Good Wolf, as I am not up on the statistics like you seem to be, but was hoping to ask a question you could supply your knowledge to.

Bringing up the oxygen levels. Around the time of the dinosaurs, as you said, the oxygen levels would have had to been higher then they are now correct? The point you bring up is a good one, I had forgotten, as I only knew it as trivia.

In theory, would the levels of oxygen that the dinosaurs had, need to be around the same levels in order to have "Giant Men" in the range of size being discussed?

Also, if the oxygen levels were higher during the age of dinosaurs, where did it go, or did it then combine or breakdown into or with different elements?


I appreciate your help.


reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 04:38 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
There were giants. Some are documented, none better than Angus Macaskill:

www.macaskill.com...

However, there are other stories and legends. Perhaps Skyfloating will come by and share some of his vast knowledge on the subject?

If not, here is a good primer:




www.stevequayle.com...


reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 08:44 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand



Well first you must understand alittle about how organisms get oxygen out of their environments (water and air). For instance the way insects obtain oxygen is very different to us, they pretty much have holes all up their sides that the air goes in to of it's own accord, so the insect doesn't breath.

However this system is dependant on a certain scale. If the bug gets to big the surface area to volume ratio gets too low and the bug suffocates. So with current levels of oxygen, they never grow larger than a few inches. Now if you look a the fossil record you'll find things like centipedes 6 ft long (don't quote me i don't actually know the exact figure). That's because there was far more oxygen allowing larger growth.

It's also why people who live in the mountains where the atmosphere is thinner, they develop barrel chests to cope.

The oxygen in the air is produced by certain plants and algae and when there is a significant enough disaster (like the massive collision event 65mya) then the oxygen levels change and may not return to previous levels.


reply posted on 8-10-2008 @ 09:19 PM by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by Good Wolf



Thank you

That being said, since the dino's reached a certain size, though I know bigger are being discovered, why would there brains not of scaled in size or are they proportionate to todays reptiles.

Do you know off of the top of your head if the "Giants" would have been in the realm of the same air consumption as the dinos relatively speaking to the sizes of "Giants" discussed.

Thanks for the info on insects, that's cool...i didn't know that.

Peace


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 01:06 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand



Well im no palaeontologist, what I've said is all I know from what I've been able to pick up from doccos n such.



reply posted on 18-10-2008 @ 07:19 PM by Normski
I saw something that may be relevant to this.

It linked the legends of Cyclopean creatures around the Aegean What the ancient Greeks had done was when a "Cyclops skeleton" became uncovered, normally through landslides. These were caused by the Eurasian tectonic plate, (i.e. Greece) subducting under North Africa and Italy, (under the Mediterranean).

These fossilised skeletons were taken and put over the porticoes of their temples as the bones of these mythical, revered, God-like beings. These were uncovered by archeologists when the temples were "discovered" but discarded as being "random bones - possibly as sacrificial offerings."

When they looked at the locations of the "legends " of Cyclops's (?) and sites of what we now know these skeletons to be, they are 99.9% the same places.

Now the legends of Cyclops, and by 'coincidence' of giants as well are described as mis-shapen, with deformed heads and with squat legs and strange hand / feet configurations.

Of course the Cyclops also had one "eye" socket in the middle of it's forehead - well what was put forward was that these cyclops were in fact Mammoths, the eye socket being where the trunk fits. Now It makes sense and as the Greeks ain't seen a mammoth / elephant before, they made sense of what the bones configuration "must have" looked like - i.e. moved them into a huamanoid shape. Stand a mammoth fossil upright like a human and you get a creature about 10 feet tall plus.

It makes sense and the fact that the legend sites exactly match the sites of Mammoth finds ... close enough for me.

Take Care,

Norm


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 01:04 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Hollywood11



He's not a giant, he's a big man. And for goodness sake, every living thing is a transitional species.


reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 02:41 AM by JPhish
Originally posted by dave420
reply to
post by Hollywood11



Nope. The human skeleton can't support its own weight when we get to about 8 feet tall. Heck, some folks under 8 feet have horrific bone and joint problems. Our height is inherently limited by the materials and structure of our skeletons.


you sir, are 100000% wrong; you can add more magical percentage points to this if you'd like. but seriously, think about it . . .

If the gravity of the earth was less back then; or if the bone density of these purported giants was greater, or any of the other countless possibilities; your assertion, that our current state of affairs concerning these variables prohibits giant people, is incorrect.


[edit on 10/23/2008 by JPhish]


reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 06:16 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by JPhish



No, jphish. you are 1000000% wrong.

The gravity of the earth would not change over time. To drop gravity below 9.8m/s2 you would have to remove considerable amounts of the earth's mass. ie. get a cosmic trowel and dig out upwards of a quarter of the earth equally to make it easier for man. And that will affect countless other systems in nature on earth.

And even if bones were denser, you'd still have both joint problems and cardio problems. Think about it. Denser bones means heavier bones.
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