Nuclear agency accuses Iran of willful lack of cooperation

Nuclear agency accuses Iran of willful lack of cooperation

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"The Iranians are certainly being confronted with some pretty strong evidence of a nuclear weapons program and they are being petulant and defensive," said David Albright, a former weapons inspector who now runs the Institute for Science and International Security. "The report lays out what the agency knows and it is very damning. I've never seen it laid out quite like this."

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This is more evidence that Iran is not being truthful about it's nuclear ambitions. Since they are lying about actually building a nuclear weapon, I wonder what else they are lying about? Why would they lie if it's only for 'peaceful' reasons?

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If I paid someone enough money I could get them to say with conviction the Earth was flat and was also the center of the universe.

Leave the sovereign nation alone already.

Originally posted by metro
If I paid someone enough money I could get them to say with conviction the Earth was flat and was also the center of the universe.

So you are saying that the U.S. is 'paying off' the nuclear agency to promote it's agenda? If so, care to provide some proof or is this just your fantasy wishful thinking because you refuse to accept the truth.

BTW, way to comment on the story at hand.

[edit on 27-5-2008 by WhatTheory]

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No I am not saying they are paying off anybody.

I'm sure the guy is doing it for free just to keep his job.
But seriously, the only fantasy thinking here is that Iran poses a threat to anyone whatsoever.

A number of things

1. On any given day, the UN And IAEA are curropt, uninformed and illequiped to do anything... but, when they back up the United States agenders, they seem to get headlines, and their statements are forced down our throats.

2. Why cant Iran have nuclear weapons? The COLD WAR created the guise, that if two equals have nuclear weapons, then neither would use them , due to MAD. It seems this only applies to certain countries. If Israel can hold the Middle East hostage with nuclear weapons, it creates a very differnt mental atmosphere amongst nations, this is why the terrorists hate us.

3. Israel disobey the United Nations regularly, why is it such a big deal when someone NOT backed by the USA does it.

4. Iran probably ARE building nuclear weapons, they arent making powerplants in the mountain now are they. But to date, Iran have NEVER attacked a nation. They have always been the defenders, so why all of a sudden is the world in great danger from them?

5. Its well know the US lied about IRAQ's weapons, and is LYING about IRANS rhetoric, its for these reasons the United States cannot do anything about Iran.

6. Iran deserve the right to defend themselves. The USA and Israel have been threatening Iran day and night, the USA has proven its integrity over soveriegn nations by brutally invading and occupying Irans neighbour. It is for these reasons Iran NEEDS the bomb to ensure no nations tries to lie, and occupy another middle-eastern oil-rich nation.

How many reports have we seen where the IAEA have said that there is no evidence of a nuclear program? Only to be countered with something like this. It is just getting ridiculous at this point.

Like it or not, since Iran started going after Nukes, 13 other countries in the ME now have Nuclear agendas on the table.

In other words, Iran sparked an arms race. Why do you think these other 13 Middle East nations are concerned about Iran and never were about Israel?

Answer this in a well formulated manner and give supporting evidence that these 13 nations are wrong to worry about Iran.



[edit on 27-5-2008 by jetxnet]

they arent doing it to -counter- Iran, they are more doing it because Iran showed the world that because of the USA's misadventure in Iraq, they no longer have the political power to enforce its no nuclear policy.

I mean, lets face it.

America doesnt have the power or the economic might any more to force these nations into line.

Why on Earth do you believe other nations feel threatened by Iran with the bomb?

As i have said, Iran have NEVER attacked another nation, why would they?
Why would they need to all of a sudden?
Plus,

Its not like the United States NEEDS Oman, Saudi etc etc to defeat Iran 'with nukes'

For Oman to be building nukes 'because' Iran is, is like saying I joined Michael Jordans Bulls to HELP them beat some average team.

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I didn't say I believed other countries were scared of Iran and bulding their own Nuclear Weapons. The British Intelligence Report from MI6 did. I posted a link on the issue yesterday.

No, Iran hasn't attacked anyone yet, but Iran is part of the Nuclear Arms Treaty (Israel is not) and has an obligation to let inspectors in.

By being a member of the treaty, Iran is getting major incentives from NATO countries. It will further isolate itself if the country withdraws from the treaty.

Iran is trying to build Nuclear weapons while getting incentives at the same time.

Iran is a signatory state of the NPT and has recently (as of 2006) resumed development of a uranium enrichment program. The Iranian government asserts that this enrichment program is part of its civilian nuclear energy program, which is permitted under Article IV of the NPT. However, Iran violated its NPT safeguards agreement by pursuing uranium enrichment in secret, after which the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution ordering Iran to suspend its enrichment-related activity.[28] The United States and some members of the European Union have accused Iran of using this program to help covertly develop nuclear weapons, which would be in violation of article II of the NPT. Iran remains under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Mmmmm... apart from this Albright chappie, it doesn't name anyone else or link to, or directly quote an official IAEA document.
So, what we have are the usual anonymous sources quoting a document that may or may not - because we cannot see it - make allegations against Iran, or even exist for that matter.

This has been done before of course. I'd put more trust in the word of El Baredai than some Washington hack with an agenda.

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ahhh i see, so all this is because they are receiving incentives?
I dont think so!

Why is it ok to build the bomb, not allow ANYONE in and NOT signing the treaty 'ok'
Yet, building the bomb, and signing the treaty, and ALLOWING inspections, is 'not ok'

... you'd have to explain that one to me.

we are sanctioning Iran, what possible incentives are we giving them?

Heres the real reason..

We're eyeballing Iran, because they live on oil fields, just the same way we eyeballed iraq, before we started a WAR.
We arent eyeballing Iran, because the US is so infested by israeli moles, and because Israel has no freakin oil under it.

That is the CLUX of this ENTIRE charade.

Originally posted by metro
No I am not saying they are paying off anybody.

Ok, then what are you saying when you said:

If I paid someone enough money I could get them to say with conviction the Earth was flat and was also the center of the universe.

I'm sure the guy is doing it for free just to keep his job.

What planet do you live on? Doing it for free?
Of course he is going to get paid for doing his job. What on Earth are you talking about?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
1. On any given day, the UN And IAEA are curropt, uninformed and illequiped to do anything... but, when they back up the United States agenders, they seem to get headlines, and their statements are forced down our throats.

While I agree that the UN is corrupt, I disagree with you on your other point. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. The UN gets MORE headlines when their reports refute U.S. claims. Especially here on ATS, anti-US reports spread like wildfire.

2. Why cant Iran have nuclear weapons?

Because they cannot be trusted. Even yourself said that you believe Iran is developing nuclear weapons. So if they are lying about trying to build nuclear weapons and going through extremes to hide this fact, then by simple logic, they cannot be trusted with their motives for wanting to aquire the weapons.

3. Israel disobey the United Nations regularly, why is it such a big deal when someone NOT backed by the USA does it.

Please....Israel is defending itself from attacks.

4. Iran probably ARE building nuclear weapons, they arent making powerplants in the mountain now are they. But to date, Iran have NEVER attacked a nation.

You mean besides the Iraq/Iran war and all the men, money and arms they are currently supplying into Iraq to kill U.S. troops and allied forces right?

5. Its well know the US lied about IRAQ's weapons, and is LYING about IRANS rhetoric

No it's not.

[edit on 27-5-2008 by WhatTheory]

Hey WhatTheory....

How is it WE get to lie to the UN......



......and IRAN can't?

Remember this?????

"My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."

Guess who said that and to who??

1 minute.....and you win a star!!!

Iran has been caught with these documents by the U.N. not the U.S. and soon Iran will pay the piper. The U.N. for years took the side of Iran but after they have caught them lying many times they are now very concerned.

The U.S. can and will do something about it if Israel doesn't do it first witch it looks like they will any day now.

Iran's air defense is very weak compared to Syria's, The only problem they face is the distance to witch they proved they can do with their recent exercise to Greece.

I invented a time machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I took that article and replaced all the IRAN's with IRAQ's...

All the sudden I found myself five years in the past!