Originally posted by android1296
You Jewish?

Maybe you have just shown your true colors here. But, no, I'm not. I'm also not Palestinian, or Syrian, or of any other Semitic stock.

I'm French-Acadian, with a bit of Native blood thrown it for spite.

[edit on 22-5-2008 by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men]

Originally posted by Ecidemon
Wow, android.. just... wow. Do you really think that was neccessary? That post, from a 3rd party, looked pretty childish, which hurts your credibility; your posts started out well structured and clear, then it appeared that emotions got in the way and you went down hill from there. Maybe you should take a step back and regain your composure?

+1 that was pretty bad. if there is no respect for replies to people, then it shows who you really are. If you can't respect others, or yourself and your own integrity, then it ruins ANY credibility you have. An apology would be a start to repairing this, otherwise, I think you just ruined yourself on this whole thread. We all make mistakes Android and hopefully you can correct this one.

JPT

Originally posted by android1296
I found 100 pages of me on Google and not a damn thing on your site...so tell me how impressive I should feel for a common thief like you that makes money by stealing other peoples efforts?

Please clarify. What in the hell are you talking about?

"100 pages of me"

A whole hundred, eh? Quite prolific of you. The other 999,900 or so, of your projected million, must have been sucked up by the interwebs' black hole.

Who are you? You look foolish by not answering.

Well Android, I guess you've made your choice to continue to be childish in your replies to others. To just attack instead of either ignore them, or reply with thoughtful intelligent replies. I guess this thread is over for me. I guess your whole thing on this is just to defend the Masons, even though you are supposedly an ex-Mason and don't want to join them again. Also, instead of replying to me asking if you looked at them like a lobby group, you chose to continue to attack and bicker with others on this thread and make yourself look even more childish. I'm outta here. At least we all got to see that your original post was not your intention. I knew there was something fishy here. Good luck defending the masons under false pretenses. Also, have fun fighting with the others and making yourself look less than credible by responding with childish antics.


JPT

Originally posted by android1296
Your sites don't even register on my research list.

LOL!! I have no doubt whatsoever! You're too busy with the Fetchos of the world.

Originally posted by android1296
Terry Melanson?

Jewish?

Care to answer that one straight forward?

I did. (see above; reproduced below)

Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men

Originally posted by android1296
You Jewish?

Maybe you have just shown your true colors here. But, no, I'm not. I'm also not Palestinian, or Syrian, or of any other Semitic stock.

I'm French-Acadian, with a bit of Native blood thrown it for spite.

And, yes, that's my real name - the name that collects checks from Google and his publisher, Trine Day.

My family is descendant from one of the first Acadian families in the new world: ie, from the Melanson Settlement (an historic site). We have been here, on this side of the pond, since the early 1600s.

Now OP, to answer some of the issues raised in your opening post (from my viewpoint and imo only):

1. Yes, what freemasonry represents is a danger to oppression and tyranny. Thats why it is outlawed in countries that do not value freedom.

If you dig deep into the source of anti-masonic literature you will find individuals who hate modern democratic society and everything it represents. While modern society might not be perfect, it still beats barbarianism though.

2. Yes, it needs to be reformed, refreshed, modernized before it decays, before it becomes the path to boredom rather than a path to tolerance and social englightenment.

Originally posted by justpassingthrough
Well Android, I guess you've made your choice to continue to be childish in your replies to others. To just attack instead of either ignore them, or reply with thoughtful intelligent replies.


JPT

My apologies. It seems that Mr. Melanson has a problem with people who, in his own opinions, are not worthy enough to be included in his efforts. Of course, I did find it amazing that in spite of being such an awesome Internet presence, I had never even heard of the guy and long ago rejected the efforts of people like him as the work of electronic thiefs.

At least with Google I could find my work.

The guy makes money by ripping off of everyone else and yet I can't even use his site to find me...and yet I am sure he has stolen my work at some point in time without my permission and "catalogued it" without my permission.

Hell. The RIAA goes after people for stealing songs and this guy has 85 million pages of information he has stolen (er, graciously preserved).

Nice twist of words.

Something tells me people need to look more into this guys efforts and see if there is indeed a way people can get paid for his most generous theft of material.

Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Thanks.

No problem.

For the record, there's nothing about my name that is anonymous or akin to a "pen name." I mentioned "pen name" while addressing OP. I asked for his, as it is pretty obvious that a "pen name" might be something that he would use.

Understood. I see you've made the list of "anti-Masons" on a few Masonic sites. Brave of you to use your own name. I will certainly be using a pseudonym if -- or should I say when, I get published.

...Ohhh, and a prediction: he will take extreme offense to even this innocuous comment. Fire and Brimstone awaits.

Perhaps. But I think he'll probably become silent for a time, unless he has actually got some work to show. It's a shame he exploded, really. His opening post wasn't at all a bad one.

Interesting. For all the complaints in so many threads on here about masons piling on the anti-masons, here is an example of the anti-masons piling on, and the guy isn't even a mason

Because the OP touched on part of something that has bothered me for a few years I want an opinion of Brothers from other parts of the US.

Not sure if this should be in house private between Masons but at the same time I know a few non-Masons who have asked similar questions.

In the early 1800's after the Morgan Affair United States Masons pretty much outlawed both political and religous discussion. To quote the Massachusetts Grand Constitution - It incites the heart and mind. Meaning Politics and Religous discussion gets people bothered and hot under the collar.

But lets go back 50 or so years before then. A small Tavern in Boston called the Green Dragon I believe. I have been there once. You read the minutes which the original is kept at Grand Lodge Boston, and all it says is Tea Time. Basically a bunch of Masons had a discussion during an opened Lodge about the high taxes that King George was thrusting upon them and decided that it was wrong and they should do something to make a point about it. We all know this to be the "Boston Tea Party"

So just because a few Brethren got out of hand and if I have read correctly were both Masonically and Legally prosecuted for their actions then why do we not discuss politics.

I am not a great one for conspiracies. I find most to be utter trash but there are things that when you put 1 and 1 together they come up 2 and no one is stopping those who are causing this.

The 2 I refer to is the loss of Freedom and the destruction of this Country.

RealID in my opinion stands against everything a Mason holds dear. Freedom, Liberty and much more. Some of the Acts that have been passed and made into Law in the last 8 Years. In my opinion a definately line of usurpation of rights.

Now we have us, The Masons. Thumping our chests about how much charity work we do and we are afraid to even discuss a little bit of politics in the Lodge during an open meeting. Meanwhile the Dream of the American Republic of Freedom is dieing and we still play our fiddles.

Maybe it is time we started to talk to each other openly in Lodge and talk to those in Lodge who see more in government than some of us janitors do. With close to 5 million Masons in the United States alone we could quite easily bring both the Leadership and the means to bring back Liberty to this country and a little sanity as well.

The Masons were a core piece for the Creation of this Great Experiment. Can we be no less to bring it back on course?

Or are the Masons a relic of history to soon be nothng more than a local Elk's Club gathering money to help Shriners Hospitals?
Talk about an anti-climatic end to a great Fraternity.

Hello, this is the first thread i've read here. And i have to say
Your views about Masonary being a "Secular Infrastructure" are
Hard to understand, considering to be a Mason you have to accept
A 'higher power' first.
The fact is, Masonic Philosophy is one of "Intelligent Design".
Many understandings, however, about "God" come from science.
.
Comments about your past slanderings agaisnt them notwithstanding;
Others with neutral opinions might get the wrong idea when you say
Masons are a Secular Infrastructure.

I am not of the opinion that politics should be returned to the lodge, for several reasons.

Whatever masonic involvement there may have been in politics, we live in a different world now. It would be giving legions of anti-masons infinite firepower to point at every single political event and proclaim "The Masons did it! You can't prove they didn't, after all politics is now allowed in the lodge!" I realize they are going to do this no matter what the fraternity does, as it is in their nature to make such accusations, but it would really be lighting the fire in their torches with this.

I see no need to give them the proverbial torches, when discussion of politics in the lodges would most likely only create division. In my lodge we have everything from anarchists to communists and back - we wouldn't be able to agree on any thing - and I see of no good that could come from it. It easy to claim lodges would just be "for liberty" but you ask 10 different masons what that would mean and you would come up with 10 different answers. Who would decide? The worshipful masters? Thats fine when it comes to deciding what we're having with the pancake breakfast, but it would not work well when it came to deciding to use political power. You will ignite a powder keg that the fraternity would not easily be able to recover from.

Not to mention those lodges that have tax exempt status would quickly lose it. I think there are plenty of ways for people to exert political influence in groups - masonry is not one of them in my opinion.

[edit on 23-5-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Now OP, to answer some of the issues raised in your opening post (from my viewpoint and imo only):

1. Yes, what freemasonry represents is a danger to oppression and tyranny. Thats why it is outlawed in countries that do not value freedom.

This is as I see it. I know a lot of Freemasons, and most of them are in very high places. If they actually worked together to put an end to some of the nonesense we see from the organized criminal syndicates like the Jewish Russian mafia's operating under aegis of state, we could start to roll back some of the more primitive and barbarian behavior we have seen in the West as this power group has come into its own.

In discussions elsewhere, there was a rather astute observation:

There are essentially 3 power bases:

a) Money - controlled by Rothschild/Jewish Interests
b) Media - minds, controlled by Synarchists and Noahidist (Jewish) interests
c) Black Ops - difficult to ascertain, but probably a mix of Osirian and Setian Masonic elements.

The most powerful is probably the Black Ops. They have the technology. The former 2 elements control the mass culture. We could include the Terry Melanson's, aka "Fires seeking to dominate mens minds" as accomplices to the Noahidist/Jewish elements, as he clearly has used his talents to act as an intelligence vacuum, stealing all information posted on the net and conveniently placing it into a central database where it can be culled for various purposes.

Extortion and intimidation is an oft used technique by negative forces.

2. Yes, it needs to be reformed, refreshed, modernized before it decays, before it becomes the path to boredom rather than a path to tolerance and social englightenment.

This is what I have heard. I teach a lot relative to esoteric, and more than a few Mason's work with me and I provide insights into their craft.

Nowadays, you can go to the local lodge, pay your fees, go to a mass get together, and essentially be a member of the audience and get your 32nd degree. The Craft, in classic Protocols of Zion style, has been dummied down nearly into irrelevance from an esoteric construction.

The real battle is for the hearts and minds of the people. This was clearly enunciated by Rumsfeld. The use of the Media by the Pentagon, the Israeli's (global Jewish mafia), and their US assets, dovetails back into Bill Cooper's insights from Behold a Pale Horse.

It is no secret that operatives like Vallely were pimping information on Fox News (Faux News) even as he was critical to the writing of psychological warfare techniques currently used by Fox News (and most of the other main media outlets).

What Masonry did through their esoteric constructions was create the foundation upon which truths can be ascertained, and in the process, they created a system that sheds quite a bright light on the Setianists (Jewish Masonic/Judaic Noahidists) who are aligned with the Martinists/Synarchists.