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Confessions of an Ex-Mason Basher

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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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In truth, I have been at this writing business for a really long time. I have probably written over a million words on the net, so I have seen pretty much every twist and combination of words that is out there. I will have to admit, I used to be Mason basher.

Why?

I don't know. It was easy. It got lots of attention. It was a popular approach to take. Sometimes it was too easy.

I am no longer the Mason basher I was, having come to an appreciation for the efforts that this organization has in preserving what became our Western civilization.

Now for the record, I believe that Masonry is and has been in a state of decay for quite a number of years. The empty Masonic Halls sprinkled throughout the various towns and cities across America lie as silent testaments to such a reality and belief.

Then there is the overt war against Masonry.

Nothing happens without a reason, at least as public relations and agenda's go, and so the war on Masonry I find to be of particular interest. As I see it, the powers that be infiltrated Masonry many generations ago and co-opted it, but why war against it equally?

The truth is - I know lots of Masons all over the world.

On a trip to the Philippines some years ago, I was invited to sit in on meetings with various civic institutions like Rotary, Lion's Club, etc. More than a few of these individuals were Masons. Many of them were genuinely concerned about their families and communities.

While traveling in the Middle East, I have come to be introduced to many elite families and yes, more than a couple have been or are Mason's. Again. They were quite committed to their families and society.

So why the war on Mason's?

Is it because as a general rule, there remains an infrastructure that is or could be a danger to a "New World Order'?

I have felt this may be the case. Ultimately, an oppressive force opposed to human liberties and freedoms would need to come to control the one movement that fought and sought to instill these same said human conditions. It would then destroy from within and from without.

It is something worth considering.

My only beef, as it were, with Mason's, is that they are not nearly as dedicated to their Craft as they should be. That is simply my observation. There is not enough study in the Speculative Arts, for instance, or the philosophical foundations which give rise to the beliefs and rituals.

It is tiring, for instance, to have a Mason argue that Mary was "the Black Widow" in that she gave birth to Christ and yet the larger mythology obviously (or you would think obviously) revolved around Isis and the birth of Horus and the death of Osiris.

Sometimes you wonder where some of the lodges in question were infused with their beliefs and why they cling so steadfastly to same.

And in today's world, knowledge is a Google hit away, and as a general rule, the people are more advanced and educated as at any point in the history of mankind. There comes a time when it becomes necessary to realize that belonging does not equate to knowing, and knowing does not necessarily impose the need to belong.

What is clear is that Masonry has provided and will continue to provide a positive vehicle to effect change and shape minds well into the future. What is perhaps necessary is to realize that the seeming war on Masonry is not just an external affair, and that the war for Masonry has too been waged from within equally - be aware that cleaning one's house is oft equated to the onset of Spring.

Perhaps it is time for a renaissance and a clearing of the halls?




posted on May, 22 2008 @ 08:36 AM
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Its nice to see a poster who is neither blinded by masonic light nor deceived by anti-masonic propaganda.

A refreshing neutral view.


I´ll comment on your points later.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 09:25 AM
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Could you point us to some of your anti-mason articles.

I would be curious to read what you wrote, before your
big change of heart.




posted on May, 22 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by android1296
 


Could you point us to some of your anti-mason articles.

I would be curious to read what you wrote, before your
big change of heart.



I really can't. This would be going back to 1999-2001. The general idea was to craft everything around the pyramidal structure of Masonry and to play off the general ignorance of the audience (both Masonic and otherwise).

But really, the more I delved into the esoteric aspect of Masonry, I have found it all to be quite ingenious and essentially anti-ignorance and intolerance.

My research leads me to believe that beginning around the 1870's, there were two schools of thought regarding the release of esoteric information. One sought to release the information to the general public and the other fought to keep the information from the public.

Although this is simplistic, a study into the esoterics of English pretty much confirms this. Rudolph Steiner mentions this as well in his work "The Occult Movements of the 19th Century."


Rudolf Steiner, who broke with theosophy to found his own anthroposophy, spoke of a disagreement between esotericists at the close of the 19th century; one branch wanted to open up esoteric knowledge to the general public, while another group wished to maintain secrecy. -Source: Wikipedia [4]


In my mind, the ones who wanted to keep the information private are really the ones who were conspiring both to destroy from within and from without, and the belief was that if the general public could get the information, the "light side" could and would win. This hidden war (which to me must have been known to the light side of the Masonic leadership) was publically being manifested in the periods from 1870-1930, with the Roswell event being the coup d'gras that essentially killed off "benign Masonry" as an infrastructural tool for the primary "benefit" of Western civilization.

It was at this time that the United States became a National Security State, and thus the American Masonic Experiment was dead. It would be rapidly rolled up in the 50's with the McCarthy era witchhunts being a more public face of a very hidden Occult war between the two factions operating under the same umbrella.


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[edit on 22-5-2008 by android1296]



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by android1296
 


Could you point us to some of your anti-mason articles.

I would be curious to read what you wrote, before your
big change of heart.



Funny. I too would like to see this, but I think he just said that he can't point to it, yet he wrote millions of words online?!?! It should be somewhere. I smell something funny, but maybe I'm wrong. We'll see if anything pops up.

JPT



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:00 AM
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It would be interesting if you could scan one of your articles, and post it here.

I would really like to read some of your research, as it sounds that you have dug pretty deep.

Rudolph Steiner.
Just authored a thread about him not to long ago, about the Waldorf Education.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I also have the book "The Child's Changing Consciousness" in my collection.

In my opinion, the guy was a creepy, dark figure who was haunted by dark forces.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by justpassingthrough

Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by android1296
 


Could you point us to some of your anti-mason articles.

I would be curious to read what you wrote, before your
big change of heart.



Funny. I too would like to see this, but I think he just said that he can't point to it, yet he wrote millions of words online?!?! It should be somewhere. I smell something funny, but maybe I'm wrong. We'll see if anything pops up.

JPT


JPT -

You are talking about tens of thousands of posts going back to 1998. I am quite certain that the numbers have reached over a million. Some of the sites are now dead, others long ago forgotten.

Sometimes simple honesty is a fair way to deal with the audience, and I believe in dealing as fairly and as ethically as possible.

I can recall, for instance, an MSN community where the primary antagonist was a Mason from Scotland. I tag teamed with an author on alternate histories writing articles that poked fun at the fact that Pike bragged about only some 2% or so of all Masons ever get the truth and that there is a known conspiracy within Masonry where the sheeple are purposely misled. Afterall, I would write, who could trust a Mason when they are sworn to secrecy, and the secrecy they are sworn to most likely is false deceptions anyways?

It is easy to play on some of these perceptions.

However, as I see it, there is enough information out there to really do a good job and to reinvigorate the infrastructure, but it takes work and will probably be left to a younger generation.

The motivation for all this comes from what to me are disturbing developments. For instance, the Renaissance was clearly helped along by various Secret Societies, such as the Troubadors, and yet who here really has any knowledge of this Secret Society? The Renaissance put the torturer in the dungeon and now we are not only opening the doors but allowing the the torturers to rule the system.

This is not what Masonry was about and yet all too often they are being accused of being in the deal to bring about this radical change in our civil belief systems.

At some point in time "we" have to take a stand and you need an infrastructure to do that.

If we allow the total war on Masonry to destroy it also - then the West loses its primary secular infrastructure, as I see it.

At any rate, the post is well intentioned and free from any intent to portray any ulterior motives.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by android1296


At some point in time "we" have to take a stand and you need an infrastructure to do that.

If we allow the total war on Masonry to destroy it also - then the West loses its primary secular infrastructure, as I see it.

At any rate, the post is well intentioned and free from any intent to portray any ulterior motives.


You had me kind of agreeing with you until this last part. if masonry was to be destroyed, we wouldn't be losing much. They are not the saviors of this world. Where they drop off, someone else will pick up. There might be some growing pains, but that's it. I felt like this latest post was unbiased also until I read this last bit. Now, though you are still an EX mason right, you are fighting for them to survive. Are you going to rejoin if you believe they are that important to you and society? You said there was no intent for any ulterior motives, but it looks like your motive is to defend them and keep them from being destroyed. Not saying it was all malicious, but saying that there is motive here. The motive isn't just to say you were a mason basher, the motive is to save masonry from being attacked. Different motives.

JPT

JPT



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by android1296
 


In my opinion, the guy was a creepy, dark figure who was haunted by dark forces.


In fairness, none of my earlier work was worth a darn. Just fast and loose posts on public forums poking fun at Mason's and using their system of secrecy to discredit everything about them. They were more taunts and not very becoming, if I may say so. If ever I could find them, I would probably be embarrassed to to call them my own.

As regards Steiner.

I really did not know much about the guy until I started tracking Baconian schools and the influence on same on the development of English. Very ingenious, imo, what was going on in the development of the language.

These groups were clearly Masonic, very educated, very focused. They knew what they were doing and they did so with little or no fanfare.

However, Steiner was coming out of Theosophy, which to me is far more attributed to the darker side. What was happening, and this is conjecture, is that from around 1782 or so, the darker side begins a pretty effective assault on the inner core of Masonry and by the time of Theosophy, the darker forces start to release the information first, and so are able to control the definitions.

This puts the actual Masonic leadership in a hole and they are then forced to play catch-up, with even their own membership being co-opted.

The KEY is with the Baconian Schools as far as I can tell.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Your sarcasm and ignorance is blinding. Just because you've made up your mind certain things are happening, doesn't mean that it's right, you know. A good friend of my fathers is a 32nd level Mason. He's a great guy with what I consider good morals. Honestly, I've never met a bad Mason. I'm sure they exist, just like the plethora of bad christians or catholics, but I don't condemn the entire religions because of that. Peoples' imaginations run wild when they aren't told the 'secret', and it's as simple as that. I've asked, but he won't tell me what's so secret about it. Personally, I think the secret is that there is no secret.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:40 AM
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As for the "ulterior motive" comment - very astute and accepted. I personally did not think of it this way, but now that you mention it, sometimes a second pair of eyes helps you see what was there all along.

As for the balance.

In my mind, the esoteric value of Masonry is, indeed, dead. That is just my opinion and no disrespect intended to anyone who is within this system. To me, the issue revolves around various occult mesmers, which are then fused to political agendas.

"Democracy" being but one of them.

The way Democracy works is that you control through the power of appointment. A Protocol of Zion maxim, but very true, nonetheless. In order to gain the ability to control through the power of appointment, you have to have an organized infrastructural system in place, aka, an "infrastructure".

In order to have an infrastructure, you must have a recruiting tool.

What do we have from a material substrate?

We have various religions, but they are already by and large, save for elements within the Presybterians, largely corrupted or ineffectual. Secularwise, what do you have to compete?

Masonry had one of the better taglines/recruitment vehicles available.

If you destroy the basic philosophies, which are far more for the good than the negative, then you are left with various Christian elements, many of whom who should be allies in fighting off these darker political forces are instead fighting the Masons, who by and large are themselves fused to Christianity.

Furthermore, as a general rule - power requires some esoteric or philosophical differentiator to attract what is typically "minds" who require a more complex philosophical foundation. So the war on Masonry serves also to demotivate potential quality recruits who could then gain access to the original core philosophies and who may equally be more difficult to corrupt.

Even Putin, who himself understands the nature of the war in play, mentions that the Russian Orthodox Church can serve as a useful tool to bring together Russian society.

The motivations are not much difference for him. Power recognizes the need for organisation and organization needs a recruiting vehicle.

If you can take out Masonry, as it were, here in the United States (largely effectively accomplished), where is your vehicle to organize and grow?

This is really a pragmatic question we can openly discuss.





 

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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:44 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 11:56 AM
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I'm sorry you find my avatar creepy, it must be connected to something you believe in. For me, it means nothing, it's a picture, one that I think looks kinda cool. Nothing more, nothing less. I think you need to buy a new "jump-to-conclusions-mat" as the one you have is getting worn out. Read my signature. Your imagination runs rampant.

Edit to add, if I was to drive a corvette, it's because I have a passion for performance vehichles, and I enjoy driving them. Again, you judge and jump to conclusions.

[edit on 22-5-2008 by Ecidemon]



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by android1296

Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by android1296
 


Could you point us to some of your anti-mason articles.

I would be curious to read what you wrote, before your
big change of heart.



I really can't. This would be going back to 1999-2001.





You are talking about tens of thousands of posts going back to 1998. I am quite certain that the numbers have reached over a million. Some of the sites are now dead, others long ago forgotten.


I know we got off on the wrong foot in another thread - or rather you took extreme offense at my dismissal of an occult hero of yours - but I really do think you can try harder that that.

Have you ever heard of the Internet Archive: www.archive.org... ? Of course you have. Well that pretty much guarantees that the bulk of everything you've been up to since the late 90s is probably preserved for posterity. All we need is a few sites by name; hell I'll even go on a search for ya in order to find the mysterious remnants.

Also, give me your pen name and I can bet that something will come up.

My name?
Terry Melanson

My site?
www.conspiracyarchive.com...

Look up my stuff to your heart's content. Google me 'till the sun don't sun.

Your turn.

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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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I looked up the Pen Name. Seems you have some work to do. And no - I am not impressed by some ignorant online librarian.

Next?

You got a problem with that too?

Your turn.


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Quoting - Please review this link

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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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There was a lot of info in your last post and I didn't know what to quote to reply to, so I just cut out the quotes. I'm not sure I'm totally understanding you, but are you saying we need this "machine" called the masons to keep things in order and going? You mentioned politics and so forth. I guess, without trying to go into great detail, what exactly would fall apart without the masons? A group decision? The way you describe them is almost like describing a lobby group. I don't really see these lobby groups as a great thing. every once in a while, they get good things pushed through, but the problem is that, they, much like humanity, get selfish and they end up serving themselves, not humanity. So, before we go any further, are you in fact saying that in a political sense, the masons almost act as a lobby group? I just don't want to get you posts mixed up and confused, cause I'm a little confused, so I'm taking little bits at a time.


JPT



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men

Originally posted by android1296

Originally posted by cutbothways
reply to post by android1296
 


Could you point us to some of your anti-mason articles.

I would be curious to read what you wrote, before your
big change of heart.



I really can't. This would be going back to 1999-2001.







My name?
Terry Melanson

My site?
www.conspiracyarchive.com...

Look up my stuff to your heart's content. Google me 'till the sun don't sun.

Your turn.

[edit on 22-5-2008 by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men]


BTW....that is YOU? GAWD....and you really think I am impressed? Do you? lol.

Dude.

I have about as much respect for you armchair idiots as I do for a Jewish Beacon of Light.

I mean. Really.

You are so intelligent that you are too stupid to get what Dennis Fetcho, aka, The Fetch, is talking about?

Man...lol...and here I thought you were just a run of the mill gatekeeper.

Seriously, though.

Stick to being a librarian.

Your interview sucked.

You Jewish?



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by android1296
preserving what became our Western civilization


Actually, no. You give them way too much credit. Perhaps you meant, "preserving what became [known] as our Western mystery tradition" I would probably agree with that. They were certainly the most visible.


the powers that be infiltrated Masonry many generations ago and co-opted it


Many centuries ago, I would say. Just a few decades after the coming-out in 1717, the nobility gained a position of real control in Freemasonry. So much so, that by the end of the century you had the likes of Illuminati Ferdinand Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg-Wolfenbüttel and Karl, Landgrave von Hessen-Kassel determining the fate and direction of the craft on nearly the whole of the European continent. Just look at the 35 deputies who convened the fateful Congress at Wilhelmsbad; except for a few occult superstars with humble genes, the controlling faction were all high-nobles (mainly the two Illuminatus' mentioned above).



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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Wow, android.. just... wow. Do you really think that was neccessary? That post, from a 3rd party, looked pretty childish, which hurts your credibility; your posts started out well structured and clear, then it appeared that emotions got in the way and you went down hill from there. Maybe you should take a step back and regain your composure?



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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Learn to quote correctly - your words appear in quote tags, thus it is confusing.

And try answering straightforward questions with honest and forthright answers. Insults are over.



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