California Supreme Court strikes down the state's ban on same-sex marriage as unconstitutional., page 14
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reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 09:45 AM by nataylor
Originally posted by heliosprime
It is amazing how far some will go to defend an abomination.

The issue was NOT the actual eye color, it was the point of passing a REAL genetic marker through actual reproduction. If gay was a gene, there would be no further reproduction.

Last time I did check, it takes two of a different sex to reproduce, without manmade help. If gay were really a gene, how could two of the same sex reproduce?

Gay is a choice............


Again, you show your lack of understanding of genetics. You can have two kinds of traits, dominant and recessive. In greatly simplified terms: Brown eye color is a dominant gene. So if you have one gene for blue eye color and one for brown eye color, you eyes will be brown. If two people with this configuration reproduce, there is a chance the child will get one blue gene from each parent, giving them two blue genes. This child will have blue eyes.

Same thing goes for homosexuality, if it's a gene. A parent could have one homosexual gene and one heterosexual gene. If heterosexuality is a dominant trait, the parent will be heterosexual. If two people with this configuration reproduce, the child may have two homosexual genes, making them homosexual. But the child could also end up with one homosexual gene and one heterosexual gene, just like the parents. This would make them them heterosexual, but they would still have a homosexual gene and be able to pass the trait on to future generations. Hence, you can see how homosexuality may be genetic and will not die off because homosexuals don't reproduce. This is basic 4th-grade genetics here.



reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 11:05 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by Bhadhidar



Originally posted by Bhadhidar
The California ruling merely recognized the right of all citizens to be treated "Equally under the Law"; therefore, if the Law "allows" heterosexual couples to marry, the Law must "allow" homosexual couples to marry.


It is not a matter of "permission". It is a matter of "recognition".

If two gays choose to celebrate a wedding ceremony, they will not face legal penalties. The marriage will just not be recognized.





Originally posted by Bhadhidar
Obviously, as most in our society can recognize but ill-define, the contract known as "Marriage" carries some additional cache, some unique "gravitas" within the context of our culture.


And, in fact, go on to make the case!

So the cachet or gravitas you are seeking is recognition, correct?



Originally posted by jsobecky
As it should be, since it is a deep committment, not only to each other, but to any offspring of the relationship. The laws have been written to recognize this.


Originally posted by Bhadhidar
"The laws have been written to recognize this (deep commitment)."


I would say, "The laws have been written to recognize this contribution."


Originally posted by jsobecky in reply to Bhadhidar

Incorrect. Unmarried people are also considered full members. As are widowed or divorced.
Originally posted by Bhadhidar

Are you being purposefully obtuse here?

The qualification, as stated, is "Allowed to Marry":

As I stated above, it's recognition, not permission, that you're missing.



Originally posted by jsobecky
And a final question: What do you bring to society's table that two single people do not bring?

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
I hope you are addressing this rather impertinent question, facetiously, to married hetereosexuals reading these posts. That you are trying, impishly, to bring into question the vaulted status of marriage in a modern society.


You are interpreting my statement incorrectly. Marriage, as legally defined, is a union between a man and a woman. Procreation is society's hope for the marriage. Society strives to be stable. A married couple bring a level of stability to society.

In that context, What do you bring to society's table that two single people do not bring?


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 09:17 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by pepsi78



It's all about equality, brother.

I wouldn't say they're 'winning over the world' because I think it's gross, but I'm glad they are overcoming prejudice and getting treated as equals.

[edit on 5/19/2008 by bigbert81]


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 10:03 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by pepsi78



Um....hate to break it to you, pepsi.....but it's quite likely more straight people enjoy anal sex than gay people....

The mouth isn't a sex organ....get my point yet?


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 10:10 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by bigbert81



bigbert....while your intent is admirable, when you said 'they'...it rang as completely disengenuous.

Imagine you replace 'gay' or 'lesbian' with any other word that has had the connotation 'they' in the span of history.....then re-read what you wrote.

It IS NOT about 'tolerance'....which is how I read your reply. Tolerance is a cop-out.

It's about acceptance....that takes work, and understanding.

For instance, I'm constantly working on trying to accept people who believe in religion. I think it's disgusting, but I am trying to understand...


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 10:14 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by weedwhacker



Tolerance, acceptance, it's about equality.

Gay people deserve to have the same rights as straight people, nothing less, nothing more.


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 10:34 PM by pepsi78
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to
post by pepsi78



Um....hate to break it to you, pepsi.....but it's quite likely more straight people enjoy anal sex than gay people....

The mouth isn't a sex organ....get my point yet?

Don't you get it, they can't have normal sex? Not that other people do other things, they can't ,a man and another man, they were not built to have sex , take it any way you like it, religios or by evolution.


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 10:53 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by pepsi78



What about a woman, and a woman?? You are only focusing on men...

As I said, the mouth isn't a sex organ....should we not be allowed to kiss? how does kissing help with procreation?

Say, a man after a vasectomy marries a woman after a hysterectomy .... should they be allowed to marry?? They can't reproduce the natural way .... guess they can only have a civil union, since they are less than fully human???


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 11:01 PM by pepsi78


You sure need some serious education.

You live your life - hopefully your future kid will be more aware.

What should I educate my self about, guys wearing lipstick that dress like girls? It aint no math problem. Don't you find that strange a bit? The world is full of wanabes, like that southpark episode some people want to be dolphins It's simply a disorder, people get perverted all the time, this is just another form of it.Can't blame the genes either, scientists can't confirm it so it's back to the drawing board. Some think they are vampiers did you know that, they feel the need to drink blood, they look like a vampire , they dress in black , they dive their nails black.They think they are vampiers but they are not, just people with serios problems gone bad.

Why do you think crazy people are crazy? why not call them just difrent? with other opinions? Do you think being vegetarian is genetic? We all make our choices influenced by other factors , most of the time when we are under development when our brain colects information at a very early age.Abuse no proper education and negative influence by other people caused on a target can cause alot of damage.As a human being you have the desire of reproducing with out you even knowing it,as a man you have the desire to hunt, protect.Dressing and acting like a woman means that something went wrong and has nothing to do with male instincts.

Being gay is simply unatural.It's a disorder.


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 11:15 PM by pepsi78
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to
post by pepsi78



What about a woman, and a woman?? You are only focusing on men...

As I said, the mouth isn't a sex organ....should we not be allowed to kiss? how does kissing help with procreation?

Say, a man after a vasectomy marries a woman after a hysterectomy .... should they be allowed to marry?? They can't reproduce the natural way .... guess they can only have a civil union, since they are less than fully human???


Vasectomy is not an evolution in the human race, it's not the individual cases but it is what we are, what we were built for from the begining.

Hey how come there is a limited number of gay people vs straight people? If it were normality why are they not equal in number with us or more.Maybe because it's a disorder?I do not know the numbers but let's say out of 1000 people 1 is gay. There are more criminals than gay people too,, more drug adicts but they are not normal people are they?
They have serios problems don't they but they are fewer than normal people.Gay people are even fewer, I wonder why half of the planet is not gay, it must be a disorder.


reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 11:21 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by pepsi78



Actually, it's not 1 out of 1000.....closer to 1 in 10 to 20.

pepsi....with an attitude like that, you would have fit right in with the Nazis...of course, even they were hypocritical....killing most Jews, but keeping certain attractive women as sex slaves...

I'd recommend some reading on Kinsey...to better understand how antedeluvian your views are....


reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 12:04 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by Annee



Originally posted by Annee
That is really archaic thinking. Good think some people believe and support moving forward in social reform and thought patterns.


That's the extent of your response? "Archaic thinking"? "Moving forward in social reform and thought patterns"?

Ahh, so we must accept gay marriage merely because it is the "progressive" thing to do, eh?

Tell me, what are some of the other "progressive" measures you have in mind for society?
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