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Black spot on the sun. What is it?




Topic started on 8-5-2008 @ 11:43 AM by Pjotr


I saw this photo
external image on a website.on a website.

the page

It is very good and clear weather in Holland and this is a snapshot from a webcam that is pointed at the beach.

Anyone familiar with this phenomenon?

Date and time is visible on the photo.

[edit on 8-5-2008 by Pjotr]

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[edit on 10-5-2008 by Jbird]



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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 12:03 PM by Chonx


If that photo was real, and it was a solid object between us and the sun, It would cast a massive shadow and be visable in the reflection on the water.

I can't read dutch so I don't know of the circumstances surrounding the picture other than that it is from a webcam. To me, it looks very fake or just to be some kind of digital artifact.




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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 12:18 PM by nataylor


Classic overexposure on the CCD or CMOS sensor of the digital camera that took the picture. The center of the sun was just too bright, causing the sensor to fail in those locations. This results in no data being returned from that area of the sensor, causing a black spot.



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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 04:39 PM by Pjotr



Originally posted by nataylor
Classic overexposure on the CCD or CMOS sensor of the digital camera that took the picture. The center of the sun was just too bright, causing the sensor to fail in those locations. This results in no data being returned from that area of the sensor, causing a black spot.


Thank you, I thought it had to be something like that, but lack the specific knowledge. So especially on a very clear day you will see something like this happen, I guess.



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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 04:55 PM by Vanitas


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Whatever it is/was, it still seems to be there.
If you go to the website and click on the second (lower) webcam, you'll see there is a light-producing object above the sea - and it can't be the moon.

I am not sure about the location of the Rederij camera, but the object doesn't appear in any of the other two livecams in Scheveningen.




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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 04:58 PM by antar


UFO passing the sun. Thats my most humble opinion anyway...



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reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 05:46 PM by Vanitas



Originally posted by antar
UFO passing the sun. Thats my most humble opinion anyway...


More like USO... unidentified static object.



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reply posted on 10-5-2008 @ 06:55 AM by Pjotr



Originally posted by Vanitas
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Whatever it is/was, it still seems to be there.
If you go to the website and click on the second (lower) webcam, you'll see there is a light-producing object above the sea - and it can't be the moon.

I am not sure about the location of the Rederij camera, but the object doesn't appear in any of the other two livecams in Scheveningen.




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I do not see anything on the webcam now, but if there was something there while the sun was gone and the other webcams did not show it, it must be a webcamproblem. The first webcam seems to off now, so there could be a problem with it.



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reply posted on 10-5-2008 @ 10:18 AM by Vanitas


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No, it surely wasn't a technical problem: it was a static light-producing body (like a huge street lamp - only it was above the sea).

The first webcam (on Rederij) is off all the time.
EDIT: And now - 23:43 local time - the second webcam is off too...

And the other two webcams are located elsewhere, so they wouldn't be showing the same angle.
I did save a screen-shot, just in case, but I don't think it's necessary to produce it here.
Not yet, anyway.



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reply posted on 10-5-2008 @ 10:38 AM by youknowit


This is TOTALY fake... The object is closer to us than it is to the sun because the light off of the sun is not shadowed by this object... my guess is a little tool calle PHOTO SHOP in other words EVIL ALIEN WARLORDS THAT WANT TO BLOW UP THE EARTH AND REPLACE US WITH JOLLY RANCHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 08:03 AM by Pjotr



Originally posted by Vanitas
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No, it surely wasn't a technical problem: it was a static light-producing body (like a huge street lamp - only it was above the sea).

The first webcam (on Rederij) is off all the time.
EDIT: And now - 23:43 local time - the second webcam is off too...

And the other two webcams are located elsewhere, so they wouldn't be showing the same angle.
I did save a screen-shot, just in case, but I don't think it's necessary to produce it here.
Not yet, anyway.



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I am still confused why you are so sure of that. The explanation of nataylor seems correct to me. I did not see any image of the "object" when the sun was gone. Would be great if you could produce it.



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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 12:02 PM by nataylor


It's definitely an overloaded sensor.

Here's a link that shows more examples of it, along with people saying they've had the same problem:

uplink.space.com...



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reply posted on 14-5-2008 @ 12:22 PM by johnsky


Yep. It's overexposure on the sensors.

Photo-sensors can only take so much, before they are unable to comprehend exactly what they are looking at.
The center of the sun is often too bright for the photo-sensors to translate into a color, so they end up with some random variable for color in place of what should have been hot white.

... in this case, it was black.

I hope the photographer was using the LCD to take the picture... and not the viewfinder.
You're eyes also cannot take over-exposure... only, in the case of the human eye... the effects are quite often permanent.



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