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Why illuminati or NWO and where is the evidence?

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posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 02:52 AM
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Can anyone help me out here? I keep reading all these threads from 9/11 to Aliens and UFO and more often than not Illuminati and NWO seem to creep there way into the picture.

Can someone simply direct me to evidence of there existence and i dont mean 18th century....

If these people are so powerefull and controlling and above the Law, then how come ATS members know they exist?

who told you guys? It seems like a bit of a cop out when everything people cant explain ends up being justifyed by means of "OH its the illuninati..." or " thats because of the NWO"

Has anyone here met or even spoken to a member of the illuminati and if so how can you be sure its not some paranoid person making all this stuff up.....

Just one bit of solid evidence......................






posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:24 AM
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Ok it seems no-one can or perhaps wants to answer me... Any takers?



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:26 AM
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i read a very interesting site today called theamericannightmare.org maybe that will get you started.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 03:28 AM
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thanks mate i will check it out, so are you a believer in the illuminati then?



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:10 AM
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“The Illuminati can be traced back thousands of years to Sumer, Babylon, Egypt and still further into what we call pre-history. Through the centuries they have been working constantly to centralize global power and complete their 'Great Work' global dictatorship. Behind the apparent randomness of world events has been the Illuminati secret network that is privy to knowledge the rest of the people never hear about. The network is controlled by ancient interbreeding bloodlines and their offshoots headed today by some thirteen 'elite families', which are structured in a DNA hierarchy. These include the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, House of Lorraine, Habsburgs and the Thurn und Taxis dynasty from Bergamo.” -David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”


The bloodlines’ agenda, their “Great Work,” which is nothing short of world domination, has exoterically been called “The New World Order” by many politicians and Masonic authors. The Old World Order was characterized by monarchies, countries with independent standing armies, metals and fiat currency. The New World Order will be characterized by One-World government, open borders, a world army, world court, and a world cashless credit-based currency managed via microchips.


“The New World Order is not a 'conspiracy' in the strictest sense of the term - it is an agenda. The agenda is orchestrated by a power elite that thinks it has the divine right to commandeer total control of your life. But who are 'they'? Who are the 'power elite'? The UN, the EU, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Club of Rome. The list goes on and there have been many books written that cover the history of these groups and how they connect to each other … The agenda is a worldwide consolidation and centralization of power into the hands of an all-encompassing World Government. This system will evolve from the European Union, (already in place) the American Union, (derived from NAFTA) and the Asian Union. When these three models are in existence, they will be merged together to create the One World Government.” -Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos (8-9)



“I would emphasize that I am exposing an Agenda, not a conspiracy as such. The conspiracy comes in manipulating people and events to ensure the Agenda is introduced. These conspiracies take three main forms: conspiring to remove people and organizations that are a threat to the Agenda (the assassination of Diana, Princess of Wales); conspiring to put people into positions of power who will make the Agenda happen (George Bush, Henry Kissinger, Tony Blair, etc.); and conspiring to create events which will make the public demand the Agenda is introduced through problem-reaction-solution (wars, terrorist bombs, economic collapses). In this way all these apparently unconnected events and manipulations become aspects of the same conspiracy to introduce the same Agenda.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (13)


When confronted with a conspiracy of this magnitude, many say it is impossible because someone would have spilled the beans. If there was a huge global conspiracy for world government, someone would come out and say something. The fact is that Congressmen, Senators, secret society members, and Illuminists themselves have publicly stated and written entire books about what they are doing! When asked how the American people would respond to the inconsistencies of the JFK assassination/Warren Commission report, CIA director Allen Dulles simply said, “The American people don’t read.” The conspirators know the general public doesn’t read and the books they write don’t attract popular readership.


“The past record of man is burdened with accounts of assassinations, secret combines, palace plots and betrayals in war. But in spite of this clear record, an amazing number of people have begun to scoff at the possibility of conspiracy at work today. They dismiss such an idea merely as a Conspiratorial View.” -Political Commentator G. Edward Griffin



“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover



"Fifty men have run America and that's a high figure." - US Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy


There exists a semi-secret cabal of globalists bent on one world government under the United Nations, world military through expansion of NATO, World Bank/cashless currency and a micro-chipped population. The conspirators are a group of bankers, businessmen, politicians, media owners/personalities, Illuminati families, and secret society elites. They implement their power through the vehicles of Free Masonry, the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Committee of 300 to name just a few. Their agenda for world governance has been known to secret society elites and Illuminati families for centuries as “The Great Work,” though nowadays it is politically referred to as “The New World Order.”



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:13 AM
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“The Illuminati structure can be symbolized as a web or as a pyramid in which the few at the top dictate to the many at the bottom. The many are kept in ignorance of what is really going on. The pyramid structure of secret societies is mirrored in government, banking, business and every other organization and institution … Only the few at the top of the pyramids know the real agenda and what the organization is trying to achieve. The further you go down the pyramid the more people are working for the organization but the less they know about its real agenda. They are only aware of the individual job they do every day. They don't know how their contribution (apparently innocent in isolation) connects with those of other employees in other areas of the company government or whatever. They are 'compartmentalized' and the only people who know how it all fits together are the very few sitting at the top - the bloodline families and their lackeys. The smaller pyramids, like the local branch of a bank, fit into bigger and bigger pyramids, until eventually you have the pyramid that encompasses all of the banks. It is the same with the transnational corporations, political parties, secret societies, media empires and the military. If you go high enough in this structure all the translational corporations (like the oil cartel), major political parties, secret societies, media empires and the military (via NATO, for instance), are controlled by the same families who sit atop the biggest pyramids. In the end there is a global pyramid that includes all the others … At the capstone of this you will find the most elite of the Illuminati, the 'purest' of their bloodlines. In this way, they can coordinate through apparently unconnected, even 'opposing' areas of society, the same policies. All roads lead eventually to them.” -David Icke, Tales from the Time Loop


The New World Order is already nearly complete with the United Nations increasingly assuming the role of world government; the world court already exists in the Netherlands; NATO is in place to expand into the world army; World Bank/IMF are centralizing banking; and Union currencies like the Euro and the coming Amero are consolidating world currency. The European Union has centralized Europe, The North American Union (SPP) is now underway, and so is the Asian Union (APEC). The end result and stated mission is global government under the unelected communist-based United Nations. They want to have one all-powerful world King/President with a world army at his disposal. They want a top-down system of global governance that dictates world law from a centralized body and complete interdependence of all nations, economically, politically, and militarily.


“The New World Order system of world conquest has always been visible, but it is so hulking and massive that it has remained hidden in plain sight. One of the most common pre-conditioned responses I hear from the average compartmentalized individual is that there couldn’t be a society of people working for world government. Those in denial proclaim, ‘It’s too big… it would unravel… they couldn’t keep it hidden…’ The average person judges the world according to their moral compass. Because most individuals are not ruthless, sociopathic control-freaks, they cannot even begin to fathom the dark gulfs that are the souls of the servants of the global elite. The New World Order is a synthesis of the survivors of empires, of super-merchant families, of barbarian kings, of banking families established in the middle-ages, and of the royal families of Europe. Over time, they have learned that if they can simply conceal the true magnitude of their power and install puppet rulers from the cultures they dominate, the people will accept greater forms of tyranny. In the late 20th Century, as the formation of a true world government entered its final stages, the globalists began to do what was unthinkable just a few years before. They began to admit that there really was a move towards a New World Order, complete with a World Court, World Taxes and a World Army to enforce its despotic laws. Just a few years ago, the average man on the street refused to even admit the possibility of a world government. Now that same individual will bellow, ‘Yes, there’s a world government – and we need it to protect ourselves from terrorism!’ The globalists’ plan is so far along that now they must admit that world government is a reality. Their propagandists are hailing the New World Order as the only system that will keep us safe and secure. In reality, it is the world government itself which is conducting the terrorist acts.” -Alex Jones, 911 Decent into Tyranny


For decades now politicians, the corporate controlled media, and public schools have been promoting this One-World agenda as being an inevitable, advantageous step-forward for humanity. They say a world government, world army, and currency will unite us as a global community putting an end to all wars and poverty. This is simply not true. There have been more wars fought in the 60+ years since the 1945 forming of the United Nations than in the rest of recorded history before the UN - over 140 wars. This means the United Nations has failed its single reason for existence – to end all wars.

One whistle-blowing Congressman was Larry P. McDonald, who was then killed onboard a plane suspiciously shot down by soviets. In 1976 he said,


“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."



"There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.” -Senator, Daniel K. Inouye, 1977



"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement towards a new world order." -Mikhail Gorbachev, United Nations address, December, 1988



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 04:18 AM
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“The crisis in the Persian Gulf offers a rare opportunity to move toward a historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times; a New World Order can emerge.” -President George Bush, Congressional speech, September 11, 1990



"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging New World Order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." -President George Bush, January 1991



"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." -A. M. Rosenthal, New York Times, January, 1991



"I would support a Presidential candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order' based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court." -George McGovern, New York Times, February, 1991



“What is at stake is more than one small country. It is a big idea, a New World Order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve universal aspirations of mankind— peace and security, freedom and the rule of law. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective, a new world order, can emerge. Now we can see a new world coming into being, a world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order.” -President George Bush, State of the Union Address, September 11, 1991



"George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American system are converging. The vehicle to bring this about is the United Nations, the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and anti-American." -U.S. Ambassador David Funderburk, 1991



“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all.” -Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, 1992



"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change its perceptions." -Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel, April 19th 1994



“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” -David Rockefeller at a UN Ambassadors’ dinner, Sept. 23rd, 1994



"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." -Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in the CFR’s Foreign Affairs July/August 1995


Just three days after the 9/11 attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center, CFR member Gary Hart said on C-Span,


“There is a chance for the president of the United States to use this disaster to carry out a phrase his father used…and that is a New World Order.”


In his 2002 Memoirs, David Rockefeller openly admitted conspiring with other globalists toward a one-world order:


"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


Pope John Paul II stated at the World Day of Peace Homily on Jan. 1st, 2004 that, "People are becoming more and more aware of the need for a new international order.” In the Pope’s book called “The Keys of This Blood,” he wrote, “By the end of this decade we will live under the first One World Government that has ever existed in the society of nations ... a government with absolute authority to decide the basic issues of human survival. One world government is inevitable."

With the success of Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” movie (which should be called “Convenient Half-Truths”) and a U.N. panel’s worth of poor science from the IPCC, the globalists are hoping to convince us that a world carbon-tax will save us from global warming. In 2007 British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said, “A New World Order is required to deal with the climate change crisis.” And in a book by Al Gore called “Earth in Balance,” he prophesizes a coming Global Marshall Plan to “help” the Earth and its people: “We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the Earth.”



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