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Mother fined for dropping 'a bit of sausage roll' (subsequently eaten by birds)

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posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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aah, i see. youve got no logical reply so you attempt to insult me by judging me personally based on the fact i have my favourite cartoon character and some of his sayings as a profile.

thats some bad hat harry.


you dont like the mesage because it differs from yours so you attempt to attack the messengers credibility instead.

deny ignorance. this is a discussion forum after all.



[edit on 26/4/08 by Obliv_au]




posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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I think it is worth mentioning that Gareth Corkhill in Whitehaven,Cumbria,England who was fined something like £100 for overfilling his weelybin now has a criminal record.His fine was paid about ten times over by well wishers and I'm a Cumbrian but Whitehaven as a new police state?If this can happen in sleepy Whitehaven this can happen anywhere.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 10:01 AM
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I'll go ahead and apologize for that right now. Last night I ended up somewhere between incredibly drunk and completely smashed. Sorry, it was wrong of me to completely dismiss your well thought out and considered reply. I just gotta remember not to post in the wee hours of a typical friday evening eh?



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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This fineing for very petty matters is to be expected in the uk as common sense seems to be lacking in the society here as a whole
it seems to me that if schools and parents taught the resons behind social responsability the sandwhich/bin/etc police wouldnt be needed.
However as already stated by others the councils get revenue and the goverment get unemployed figures down by the appointment of wardens and the lack of social education means very few people see what is changing the uk for ever
Whilst laws should be for everyone, comon sense could exsist instead of some laws
I wonder by these fines does it bring the unsolved crime figures down
thus making life much easier for those who otherwise would have to look into serious things like gun crime and drug dealing
Years ago a police officer said to me that he got paid the same money wether he worked hard or not but if he kept his head down and didnt go for controversual arrests he had less chance of loosing his job and therefore his pension !!



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by Obliv_au
Open your eyes!!


Great rundown, Obliv_au. These victims don't seem to get what a society or personal responsiblity is. I'll add that the lady from the original story said:



“I went back to take a picture of the 'litter’, but it had been gobbled by pigeons. There was no litter there at all.”


She knew she dropped it. She left it there - how hard is it to pick it up and dispose of it? She is a lazy, selfish, and careless pedestrian. If small things like that are allowed, the next thing you know people won't care. If anyone actually thinks these laws are harsh, try going to a country, like The Philippines that has no laws and look at how disgustingly dirty and full of liter it is. The entire culture adopts litering as a past time, no joke. After that, head down to Singapore where its illegal to spit or chew gum. It's like night and day.



I think it is worth mentioning that Gareth Corkhill in Whitehaven,Cumbria,England who was fined something like £100 for overfilling his weelybin


Actually, he received one fine, and refused to pay it so he was given more fines. It was overfull by 4 inches. If you let these kind of people overfill their bins by 4 inches, someone is going to try 5, 6, 7, and the next thing you know you'll have garbage all over the roadside along with birds, insects, dogs, and the like.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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This thread should get starred and flagged. If not for any reason but to show the powers that be that we are noticing this and that people are compiling incidents and a maybe a groundswell is occurring.

Reality is we have a lot of complaisance and the nwo keeps us so busy we barely have time to think much less take action and risk losing everything.
Only thing we can do is spread knowledge, bring things to people's attention then they will naturally start to notice it all around them.

Star and flag this thread!!

[edit on 26-4-2008 by Beefcake]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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One of my friends 3 years ago got a fine and 3 points on his driving license for speeding, he was 4mph over a 30mph limit, he was riding a...................push bike


[edit on 26-4-2008 by SKUNK2]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:26 PM
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I think an important point here is does anyone really believe these nit-picky laws with over-priced fines are because they care? Follow the money! They can over-enforce this nonsense and fill up the communities bank account and say; see, I did not raise your taxes.

Next it will be illegal to pass gas on a public street so keep a cork in your pocket just in case.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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perhaps we could turn the tables and follow these litter inspectors around and as soon as they flick cigarette ash on a cig break or drop ANYTHING remotely rubbish-like, make a citizen's counter-charge of littering and demand a fine be imposed on the spot



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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Just goes to show that the socialist government of the UK have nothing better to do than micro-manage its populations life while raising indirect taxes and wasting said direct and indirect taxes on a bunch of pencil pushing jumped up bureaucrats and over-zealous enforcers of petty laws.

In the last twenty-five to thirty years, I have witnessed an erosion of society in this country. It has changed from a once proud and free nation to a orwellian nightmare of constant monitoring and government spying on the public and the encouragement of citizens in work and their private life to rat each other out.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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I think there is a parallel in the US as we speak. In New York City, Rudy Ghoulioni enacted a law enforcement program that enforced petty crimes that made most of the areas of Manhattan 'look' better.

This, in turn, sent the crime out of the White neighborhoods and added to the crime in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods. After all of this, 'we lowered crime in NYC'. Out of site, out of mind, eh? These laws may have lowered crime artificially, but crime is crime whether politicians care about it or not.

As for the UK busting people littering sausage rolls... I guess this doesn't surprise me, but then again, when I was there a year back I saw someone pissing in the middle of the sidewalk (yes, the middle, not even against the wall) and the police officer just ignored it(in fact he walked behind the gentleman right in front of me). Also, keep in mind it was daylight at around 5 pm right outside the victoria tube station. I know this was likely an isolated incident and maybe the officer was having a bad day.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 04:19 PM
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What people don't seem to realise, is that all these silly laws are EU directives. The father who got fined simply because his bin was sticking up by 2 inches is absolutely ridiculous and threatening to send him to prison for two years is even more absurd, especially when some rapists and murderers get lesser sentences. There's no longer any sanity left within the EU or our government, just greed and corruption. With all these fines, New Labour and councils throughout England, must be raking in millions. Where all this money is going, is what I want to know, because I don't see any improvements, only things getting worse by the week.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 06:56 PM
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thats cool, i actually had a good laugh because its the first time ive been discriminated against based on my avatar


the fact is though, some of the articles were examples of over zealous fines that should never have been issued so i didnt quote them, and others were frivilous defence claims where the person fined was wrong so i only quoted the ones that seemed frivilous but was actually the way the newspaper put a spin on it...
much like the old MS sufferer who got shafted for wrong recycling, they tried to use his MS as a sympathy drawcard when his MS has nothing to do with the fine.


Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by Obliv_au
Open your eyes!!


Great rundown, Obliv_au. These victims don't seem to get what a society or personal responsiblity is. I'll add that the lady from the original story said:




i never said "open your eyes". i would never be so in your face to say such things to stir trouble.

heck, i even used IE7's "find" feature on the entire first page and got "No Matches Found" for both "open" and "eyes".
so "open your eyes" was never posted by anyone but you.

i may agree with your post, but please dont put words in my mouth like that. they leave a bitter after taste.

[edit on 26/4/08 by Obliv_au]



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
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you brits across the pond might want to watch the movie "V IS FOR VENDETTA" if you haven't already. looks like your government is trying to "outbush" us, here in the states. i'll come visit you in your future gulags.
cheerio!! mates!!

[edit on 25-4-2008 by jimmyx]


It was an interesting movie. However, it was V for Vendetta.

I think the fine is ridiculous.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 01:27 AM
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And britons wonder why I laugh in thier face when they self-righteously Pontificate on "bush's war on civil freedoms"



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 01:52 AM
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Dam, it really bugs me to see Britian turn into such ponces.
This is the country that gave us The Avengers, John Cleese, and The Jam!






posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 02:01 AM
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Yikes, that pigeon is probably tagged and listed as one of this poor woman's pets now. After all, she's obviously it's caretaker.

50 pounds every time it poops on a statue.

What a way to raise revenue.



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 08:05 AM
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Every one try not to fall for these diversionary tactics. While you are being handed a fine there's a politician standing behind you ready to drop your pants and go to town on you. What is really going on? Why is our attention being diverted to such small and insignificant infringements? Because the guys at the top are literally getting away with murder! Citizens -"The Iraq war was illegal! we should never have gone!" Politicians - "Yes but you dropped a sausage roll, I think that makes us even" Reminds me of when you'd be shipped off to a convict camp in Australia because you stole a loaf of bread! On the upside maybe the people copping these fines will become really good at cricket!!


[edit on 27-4-2008 by GlobalTyrrant]



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Obliv_au

i may agree with your post, but please dont put words in my mouth like that. they leave a bitter after taste.

[edit on 26/4/08 by Obliv_au]


That was clearly a dramatised interpretation of what you said; however, I suppose one can not be too careful when attempting to keep his words his own in this particular crowd. I will honor your request, and I do apologize.

It won't happen again.



posted on Apr, 29 2008 @ 07:47 AM
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Well,in defence of Mr Corkhill his wheely bin exceeded the prescribed Copeland Borough Council limit as instead of rubbish being collected weekly it was being collected fortnightly and as he has a family of five what is he mean't to do with the rubbish a family of this size accumulates?He did state he recycled as much as possible.I think people are talking about this as it's symptomatic of a zeitgeist of state/govt(place name of appropriate organisation here) interference and subsequent reprimand,In short, it sucks.



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